Ok its $40 for the lunch.
Where are you paying more for the silverware?
Of course the Booze is always extra.
Where are you paying more for the silverware?
Of course the Booze is always extra.
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Ok its $40 for the lunch.
Where are you paying more for the silverware?
Of course the Booze is always extra.
You're right, the booze is always extra!
I guess we should ask some of the people who are willing to pay the $40 enabling fee where they go to lunch!
$6/mo is the a DVR service fee for DVRs with hard drives over 100GB.
$40 one time fee is to use external hard drive space.
And dish is deciding if they will charge us to use the reserved space on the hard drives over 100GB that we are already paying a monthly access fee for according to this thread:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-net...ved-space.html
They are all charges for accessing hard drive space. They want to charge for reserved space on a hard drive we are already paying a monthly fee for. They want to charge us for connecting an external hard drive that we pay for.
Microsoft, Apple, TiVo, Myth TV DVR software, and SageTV DVR software don't charge to add hard drive space. Isn't it weaknees that sells TiVo hard drive upgrades? Dish seems to be getting out of control.
Should we expect after adding USB keyboard/mouse to pay another fee ?
Say $1 per months per one mouse and $4/mo per keyboard !
Say $1 per months per one mouse and $4/mo per keyboard !
It's another "because we can" fee. I don't like it, but griping about it won't change anything.
Brad
Brad
That's BIGGEST mistake of you and other "I'm agree" ppl !It's another "because we can" fee. I don't like it, but griping about it won't change anything.
Brad
Dish is TESTING the 'water', ie the market ! You miss the important point ! Re-read that Bolan's article closely.
Remote control fee?? How about a fee for pressing the buttons on the remote control! You could have monthly plans for it now. 5000 button presses for $3.99/mo, 10,000 presses for just $2.00 more per month!
Of course, with these plans, button presses that lead to a PPV, or the Bill Pay Interactive channel are free.
Maybe they could do a roll-over scheme for those months that you don't uses all of your button presses.
Of course, with these plans, button presses that lead to a PPV, or the Bill Pay Interactive channel are free.
Maybe they could do a roll-over scheme for those months that you don't uses all of your button presses.
My local TWC still charges for the remote control on the monthly bill. They'll tell you the fee is $7.95/mo or something for both, but break it apart on the bill. Hell, they charge you for the set-top box on their lowest digital tier package !
Face it, they're going to charge about the same amount, no matter how they charge it. You can quibble over too many fees for too many things, but if they had to eliminate some of those fees, they'd just have to build in that revenue elsewhere in higher fees for something else. At least some of the fees can make sense- DVR fees for a function that not all use, HD etc. Others may not seem to make much sense, but they are optional in one way or another. Avoid the phone line fee by plugging in. Don't want to pay the $40, don't use the external feature. But speculating on what we "think" it costs them to develop, maintain and activate the feature is pointless.
I would have to say this is not a strong argument. I agree that disputing it won't make much sense, but that doesn't mean that a consumer has no right to complain about it.
Yeah, I could give up my DVR and save the monthly fees, but I don't do that either, though it completely annoys me to pay Dish when I am only receiving SkyAngel programming. I am pondering returning for HD, but for now I pay Dish more than $18 a month for the "right" to use my own equipment.
If their competitors were better this would be a stupid move. As it is, people will pay it and go on. Though all their work on "protecting" the drive will likely be broken soon after release when someone figures out how to break it. That inevitably happens on such things.
Brad
I wonder how long it's going to be before E* starts charging a "paper bill handling fee" for those of us who prefer to not have our bank accounts raided automatically each month. With the billing problems I've had with my former cell phone company, I will NEVER EVER allow a company automatic access to my checking account. (XM excepted since the bill is always exactly the same, and isn't variable. Plus, they have no other option.)
When Dish puts a price tag on a feature such as "External HDD enabling", it's 100% profit. Don't kid yourselves.... Dish's engineers are paid whether they created this feature or not. Now, could it be a royalty to some other company in case there were already existing "modules" that would enable this ?? Does seem more likely. Dish can't put a dollar amount "per account" to "pay back" the development cost when they have no guarantee of customers paying this. If the arrangement with some 3rd party is to pay $25 per unit that enables it, which still seems really high, that would make more sense.
I can't believe that it would be 100% profit. If they were not going to develop these new technologies they would not need the developers. Dish would not pay people to sit around and do nothing. These are the cost it takes to bring new products to market.
What about "free market economy" or "capitalism" do you people not understand? When has profit become a crime?
[donning flame retardant undergarment]
Pay the $40 or not. You are complaining about a corporation attempting to turn a profit. Business are not to be confused with charity. $40 is the price you pay to have a feature, what Dish does with that $40 is their business.
The feature is of a set value to the individual. This value may be greater for some and far less than others, but Dish Network/Echostar sees value and profit in this feature and as a corporation in a free market, they have set a price based on what their research sees as a "reasonable price".
I for one will jump in with both feet because my drive is nearly full, and with an upcoming television series I will certainly need more storage space. I am extatic that the price is "only" $40 per household, and not $45 or $50 per DEVICE! I am thankful that they didn't choose to enter some sort of proprietary hardware market and require that we purchase Dish Network branded hard drives!
It's capitalism people, like it or not. The price they charge is the price they charge. Don't like it? Can't afford it? To bad! Your choice is to not pay/boycott, leave for a service that is less expensive, or obtain capitol to start your own company (and then see how your attitude changes when you've got stockholders to answer to).
There is a reason people pay more for features, take air conditioning in your auto for instance. It isn't needed, but you want it, and you buy a car with it. Or leather seats ...which I do not have by the way, because they hold little value to me and they cost so much. Do I go off ranting in forums that the price of the features on a given automobile are too expensive or that the corporation is greedy?! Nope!
Now you'll excuse me while I close the windows of my home and turn on the central AC.
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Ya know, for someone who repeatedly calls others out for polluting threads you are sure polluting this one! We get the point, you think the fee is too high. Personally, I would like to see the feature added for free but the $40 isn't that big of a deal to me. If you and enough other people don't pay maybe they will drop the price, who knows. Either way, give it a rest already! Please!
It absolutely is not 100% profit. There are always lost opportunity costs when you decide to do X and not Y. In this case, they could have paid those engineers to develop some other feature, perhaps a more profitable one, and they decided to forego that and develop USB external HD storage.
These are everyday business decisions. Which approach will yield the most profit? Short term? Long term? Long term considering customer goodwill generated thru some development that has limited profit on it's own, but might enhance the bottom line thru customer retention? One time fees do not generate the profit that monthly fees do. Of course, I daresay very, very few people would actually pay a monthly fee for external storage. But I'll pay the fee and USE the external storage feature. It will make me even more likely to remain a Dish customer, even though I was already a loyal Dish customer unlikely to leave. Certainly not to D*. However, if Fios ever came to my home, and had a decent DVR.......
Maybe they really DO know what they're doing.
These are everyday business decisions. Which approach will yield the most profit? Short term? Long term? Long term considering customer goodwill generated thru some development that has limited profit on it's own, but might enhance the bottom line thru customer retention? One time fees do not generate the profit that monthly fees do. Of course, I daresay very, very few people would actually pay a monthly fee for external storage. But I'll pay the fee and USE the external storage feature. It will make me even more likely to remain a Dish customer, even though I was already a loyal Dish customer unlikely to leave. Certainly not to D*. However, if Fios ever came to my home, and had a decent DVR.......
Maybe they really DO know what they're doing.
What "features" do Dish receivers include that generate income for Dish ? I imagine they get something when a customer follows the "interactive" pop-up icon during commercials and there's some "shopping" stuff on the Dish Home channel which I presume Dish gets kickbacks for. What else is there ?
I see that everyone has been referring to the 622/722 capability concerning adding the external hard drives, but my question is can this be done with the 625 also?
I noticed on my menu today that it gives the option whether or not to disable an external recording device.
Also, which would be the best hard drive? Staples has the Seagate FreeAgent 500GB for $129 or the Western Digital My Book 500GB for $169.
I noticed on my menu today that it gives the option whether or not to disable an external recording device.
Also, which would be the best hard drive? Staples has the Seagate FreeAgent 500GB for $129 or the Western Digital My Book 500GB for $169.
Every feature has a potential of generating income. It may not be a direct fee income for a feature but many people decide to get or stay with Dish becuase of their receivers and its features. If Dish did not consitantly update the receivers with new features, customers would potentialy leave for the compitition. Dish will never do anything that they don't think could help thier bottom line. They are not in the business in giving away things for free.
