Shall we raise our HD Lite, Captain?
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Scott Greczkowski said:Too bad I was on PDA mode. I would have typed Dish Sucks too.
Its hard typing on a telephone
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SEAN - Please note that I specifically indicated you did not partake of these practices as others have.Sean Mota said:
You have not. Others have. Unfortunately, tolerating others actions to attack personally is like condoning their behavior and statements to some, so that's what's perhaps caused the misunderstandings.Sean Mota said:
There are 2 sides to this HDLite issue, and a 3rd position as to whether or not its really an issue. Agree or disagree. But allowing the calling of people morons, blind, stupid, etc. stretch the imagination of a "fair board. To reitereate, Sean, the point was that you are not the one doing it, only allowing it to happen from others.
No, he didn't Sean. Neither of those artcles quoted Murdoch. They just regurgitated the CNBC claims. Let's take a look:Sean Mota said:Vurbano did
Note the "reported". That's equivalent to saying "a friend told me his friend heard someone else say that Ruper Murdoch said..." The others, in fact all the reports, all come back to one comment made by CNBC's David Faber. Perhaps Faber is projecting his own bias against D* or Murdoch?vurbano said:
I'm still not convinced, Sean. Neither you nor vurbano has fulfilled my request. I say it's because you cannot. End of story.
Newshawk said:
Newshawk,
the same argument can be said how do you know that he did not say it. Neither you, I or Vurbano were in the meeting or room when he said what he said or to whom he said it. We have to rely on the Press and what they report. Let's not make this like it is a "gossip" written in the "enquire". It is not. It is news and basically one has to rely on what the news reports. Just because we do not have a direct quote from Murdoch does not mean he did not say it. The fact that that statement is out there and he has not disputed the statement says that there is some thruth about it.
“Murdoch pursued DirecTV for years but has lately soured somewhat on the asset, calling it a ‘turd bird,’” Faber said.
Let's not play games here. Faber is a journalist and he wouldn't make such a statement if there was no merit to it. Why hasn't Ruppert said it was a misunderstanding or I was quoted incorrectly. It is what it is.
Satmeister said:
I totally agree. No one should be called those names just because of a disagreement. However, the statement made by the other user not only implied but stated quite clearly that I was otherwise:
"You run the risk of people ignoring what you say because you are a D* basher or E* fanboy"
vurbano said:
Every news report is a "claim"
vurbano, you're an engineer. I'm a journalist (or, I was until Comcrap shut down our operation in favor of their crappy CN8 channel.) You deal in a world of measurements and absolutes. Just as you would never take a single measurement and declare you have the answer, I would never take a single source (especially one of dubious quality) and present it as fact. Sadly, many so-called journalists of today don't hold to the same standard. You've posted some of them. They treat Faber's allegation as fact only because they can find it in Lexis/Nexus and don't bother to research it further. Besides, it becomes a poke in the eye at Murdoch, a person they don't like for a raft of reasons.
Basically, vurb, you haven't done what I asked... you just regurugated the same old crud that everyone else is regurgitating.
The hell he did, He posted an article! A press release will be listed under investor info on their page and will start "AP Release" ... so no ... he showed nothing.Sean Mota said:Vurbano did
You are the troll in this case, I have DirecTV and Dish Network, YOU DO NOT. This provides me 1st hand knowledge about DirecTV, that you do not and cannot have unless you subscribe.Sean Mota said:
Newshawk said:
According to your standards if every newspaper were to follow it, and check every source for information, there will be no news of information as we know it today. We will have to wait for something to come out of the lion's mouth which will never hit the wire or the press. So therefore, every newspaper should shut down because they can't give you a direct quote from the lion's mouth. That's not how it works now a days as you pointed out. The news information gathering has everything on it. It is up to the individual in the "claims" to say "nope that was not what I said". Again show me a newspaper article where Murdoch denied the implication attributed to him. I would think that if did not say it I woud deny it publicly because it looks bad in the eye of investors and anyone pursuing to buy DirecTv (if that is Murdoch's intension to sell).
slacker9876 said:
You see you do not read my past posts. Please do a search and read my previous posts. You call me a troll because you have both providers and you are able to compare both. Well, if that is the only thing you can stand on to back up your troll statement, you are going to fall very quickly.
I am not going to do the work for you. Use the search engine on Satelliteguys and in Five seconds you will find out how wrong you are about your first "Hand knowledge".
That is a great way to treat the bread-winner for one of your sponsors (VE), especially in light of his contributions to your CEDIA party.Scott Greczkowski said:DirecTV sucks.
There now Sean is not the only one who lost his credibility.
Just bow out Scott ... let us deal with Sean the way we see fit. If he needs a Kinght in shining armor you should toss a subordinate into the flames, not yourself.
THANK YOU TO ALL MODS, for not closing the thread, that in itself displays a lil integrity.
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Your other posts are not on topic to this thread and I see no need for me to introduce them.Sean Mota said:
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YIKES, sounds like republicans vs. democrats in this thread; the bottom line is....we spend big bucks for higher resolution BIG SCREEN hd tvs, and big bucks for HD programming whether it be with E*, D*, or cable. All providers continue to advertise crystal clear programming and superior HD quality pictures. We all know that viewing on a small digital or analog tv provides a much better picture than viewing the same program on a larger tv. That is fact. We all know that all providers have bandwidth issues and each will continue to diminish picture quality to add more programming. That is fact. This will probably get worse before it gets better. More and more higher quality HD tvs are being sold. Degraded picture quality is more visible on a higher quality tv. In the short term, picture quality will suffer. In the long term, the market will drive the quality of HD offerings, D*, E*, and cable providers will provide. In the meantime, I think all program providers should temper what that advertise because it IS misleading to the masses who don't have a clue what a real HD picture should look like. I am a believer in quality vs. quantity. I won't compromise my position.
In reality, I think this is the exact same thing the majority of us users have been asking for months (or more) about this entire topic and the manor in which its handled. So what is the difference? Why defend one person over another?
The whole point is that nothing new is ever said about HD-Lite in 99% of the threads, not in new threads or threads that get hijacked; so why continually do it or allow it? What did this thread introduce versus what it has become? And was it worth it? The secondary point seems to be that the board folks should remain professional and unbiased; which is not happening. Just post the HD-Lite and generally DBS differences in a sticky and leave it alone for people to read to learn.
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Here's my suggestion on all these kinds of threads:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=692243&posted=1#post692243
This one really is more than well done, and needs someone to put a fork in it.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=692243&posted=1#post692243
This one really is more than well done, and needs someone to put a fork in it.
vurbano said:
Vurbano we have been reading these broken record, immature one-lined reponses of yours to similar posts for a long time. It just irrates your over-blown ego that others don't share your delusional self-serving arguements. Try a different approach and you may get some respect for your opinion.
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I am sorry Slacker but if you don't like the way things are run then maybe it IS time for you to go.slacker9876 said:
This is a ruthless attack on a guy whos just sharing his feelings.
You want to censor him yet you are the one whining like a little girl about being sensored.
The entire debate is off topic. I think its about time it be locked.
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