Satellite Signal Strength

joeuser

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May 9, 2013
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elmhurst, ny
Okay I went through extensive waiting and watching (61.5 is a pain in the arse with the transponders not locking and spotbeam recognition taking forever).
Basically, I want to know if my signals are good.
We had dish at one point of time about 10 years back where they pointed 1 satellite at 61.5 (for international channels) and another at 110/119 for everything else. Much has changed since then and now the dish are pointed to 61.5/72.7/77 for America's top 120 HD using 1000.4 Dish Turbo HD satellite dish and 118.7 for the Hindi Megapack using the Dish Plus Satellite dish.

If I recall correctly the 61.5 signals from 10 years back were superb, 110/119 was crap due to trees. Back then using the 301 receiver, Menu-6-1-1 showed signal strengths around 90s and 100s (out of 125). Not sure if things have changed (de-commissioned satellites and new satellite with a lower power output per transponder, etc), but I don't think it should be this low (see below) for out current install.

1. Do I need to have DISH come out and re-point the dish for better signal. We just went through a couple of days of rainy/mushy weather where everything held up ok, but I'm sure certain transponders were borderline around 30s in terms of reception (118 was the worst). If we have a major storm, I am sure the installation won't be able to lock onto 61.5 and 118.
Should these numbers be higher? (I'm in Elmhurst, NY which is within New York City, also the signal strength is a measure during a sunny day with a mix of clouds and sun) (please see numbers below)

2. We need 61.5 for our locals in HD (61.5 Transponder 22 spotbeam 2) and some part of the America's Top 120 (non-HD). However checking lyngsat showed that 72.7 Transponder 32 also carries New York local channels. For example, WNBC exists on 61.5 and 72.7 in HD on Spotbeam and Transponder 32 (Respectively). Why is this the case? Is lyngsat outdated (it shows last update on 5/18/2013)?

Why are my locals not picked up from the 72.7 satellite which has a better signal than the 61.5. This is confusing.

Please let me know if there is something that can be done.

Code:
Dish 1000.4 Turbo HD (with 118.7 LNB input)
Echostar 61.5 W 
TP 01 42-44
TP 02 54-56
TP 03 62-64
TP 04 64-66
TP 05 53
TP 06 53-55
TP 07 52-53
TP 08 51-52
TP 09 54-55
TP 10 66-67
TP 11 55-56
TP 12 51-52
TP 13 52-53
TP 14 49-50
TP 15 53-55
TP 16 46
TP 17 70
TP 18 0-2 (Spotbeam 5)
TP 19 ?   (Spotbeam 34-36)
TP 20 0-2 (Spotbeam ?)
TP 21 ?   (Spotbeam 14-16)
TP 22 ?   (Spotbeam 63-64)  <--- This is where the Local Channels are
TP 23 ?   (Spotbeam ?)
TP 24 ?   (Spotbeam 60-61)
TP 25 ?   (Spotbeam ?)
TP 26 ?   (Spotbeam 31-32)
TP 27 ?   (Spotbeam 18-20)
TP 28 ?   (Spotbeam 38-40)
TP 29 ?   (Spotbeam 27-28)
TP 30 ?   (Spotbeam ?)
TP 31 ?   (Spotbeam 29-30)
TP 32 ?   (Spotbeam 55-56)


Echostar 72.7
TP 01 60-61
TP 02 60-61
TP 03 60-61
TP 04 57
TP 05 60-61
TP 06 61-62
TP 07 61-62
TP 08 59-60
TP 09 60-61
TP 10 59-61
TP 11 57-59
TP 12 58-60
TP 13 60-61
TP 14 58-60
TP 15 61-63
TP 16 59-61
TP 17 62-63
TP 18 59-60
TP 19 62-63
TP 20 59-61
TP 21 61-62
TP 22 61-62
TP 23 62-63 
TP 24 59-60
TP 25 62-63
TP 26 60-61
TP 27 62-63
TP 28 61-62
TP 29 64-65
TP 30 59-60
TP 31 65-67
TP 32 62-64


Echostar 77
TP 01 69-71
TP 02 Jumped Over
TP 03 Jumped Over
TP 04 64-66
TP 05 68-69
TP 06 Jumped Over
TP 07 Jumped Over
TP 08 69-71
TP 09 68-69
TP 10 Jumped Over
TP 11 66-68
TP 12 69-70
TP 13 Jumped Over
TP 14 59-70 (Heavy Fluctiations, Seems to be locking elsewhere, "Locked - Name Not Acquired!" instead of "Locked - EchoStar 77 West") 
TP 15 Jumped Over
TP 16 68-69
TP 17 68-69
TP 18 Jumped Over
TP 19 Jumped Over
TP 20 64-66
TP 21 68-69
TP 22 Jumped Over
TP 23 Jumped Over
TP 24 67-70
TP 25 70-71
TP 26 ? (No Lock)
TP 27 Jumped Over
TP 28 67-68
TP 29 70
TP 30 Jumped Over
TP 31 Jumped Over
TP 32 69-70




EchoStar 118 West
TP 01 55-57
TP 02 55-57
TP 03 58-59
TP 04 55-57
TP 05 57-58
TP 06 61-63
TP 07 52-53
TP 08 58-60
TP 09 54-57
TP 10 58-60
TP 11 57-59
TP 12 53-55
TP 13 62-63
TP 14 52-54
TP 15 57-59
TP 16 no lock
TP 17 57-59
TP 18 44-45
TP 19 58-61
TP 20 55-57
TP 21 59-62
TP 22 59-61
TP 23 60-61
TP 24 57-58
TP 25 57-61
TP 26 52-54
TP 27 61-63
TP 28 52-54
TP 29 61-62
TP 30 59-61
TP 31 65-68
TP 32 59-62
 
Signal strengths used to be based on a scale to 125. Not anymore. From what I can tell you signals don't look bad to me.
 
If NYC dma is your local channels, you can only get them on 61.5 are on tp 22, but it seems that right now the meter on my 722 is taking a while to register. Do you have your HD locals after you run the check switch?

What is a DMA? And what impact does it have on me being in NYC? If the programming is there for me to receive on either of the two satellites I should be able to see it as long as I am subscribed to it right?
And after checking 61.5 TP 22's Spotbeam, I do have my locals. I still don't know what you want me to check here?

Signal strengths used to be based on a scale to 125. Not anymore. From what I can tell you signals don't look bad to me.
So even though the equipment shows a scale of up to 125, the new lower numbers are ok? More confusion.
 
Your CONUS signal strength is fine. As for the locals, are you picking them up fine? If so, I wouldn't worry about it.

It's the signal strength meter that changed.

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Just to make sure you have it clear, Dish does not supply every channel the offer on each satellite which is why you need to pick up several to get all your programing *ie: if you locals are on 61.5 but you don't have a dish pointed at it to receive it, (also note that even though Lysing lists NYC on 72, those versions of the locals are not available to you. Someone did post here what the NYC channels on 72 are for, I don't recall what it is though) you will not have the channel even though you are paying for it. DMA basically refers to the local market in which you live, if you live in the NYC dma Dish will only provide you with local channels from there, you would not be able to receive local channels from what say, Boston or Philadelphia. And as others have posted here, the meter is at 125, but the software on the HD receivers for EA do not allow the meter to go that high. Your signal strength looks very good and I would not worry about it unless you start losing channels due to low ss in weather conditions like very light rain and such.
 
Your CONUS signal strength is fine. As for the locals, are you picking them up fine? If so, I wouldn't worry about it.

It's the signal strength meter that changed.

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Yes my locals come out of the 61.5West Transponder 22 Spotbeam 2 (if that makes any verbal sense). The SS is 60+ so I should be good (I hope).

Just to make sure you have it clear, Dish does not supply every channel the offer on each satellite which is why you need to pick up several to get all your programing *ie: if you locals are on 61.5 but you don't have a dish pointed at it to receive it, (also note that even though Lysing lists NYC on 72, those versions of the locals are not available to you. Someone did post here what the NYC channels on 72 are for, I don't recall what it is though) you will not have the channel even though you are paying for it. DMA basically refers to the local market in which you live, if you live in the NYC dma Dish will only provide you with local channels from there, you would not be able to receive local channels from what say, Boston or Philadelphia. And as others have posted here, the meter is at 125, but the software on the HD receivers for EA do not allow the meter to go that high. Your signal strength looks very good and I would not worry about it unless you start losing channels due to low ss in weather conditions like very light rain and such.

That does clear up my understanding of DMA and it does make sense. However, I am very inclined to find out why the NYC locals are on 72.7West as well and why I can't access them.
I'll search around and post back here if I find the link on this fourm.

I have another question. Whose fault is it that ION HD is not on DISH? is it because PAX doesn't provide DISH the HD feed or is it because DISH hasn't decided to carry it?

Thanks
 
Hard to tell then without questioning both parties. ION may want too much money for the HD feed or it could be (more probable) Dish isn't interested in the HD feed since they could have the National feed in HD if they wanted it and not have to deal with each market.
 

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