Redskins name controvesy



Elaine gets up and opens the door, revealing Jerry standing beside a large
object (the Indian) half-covered with a black plastic bag.

ELAINE: Jerry!

JERRY: Surprise! (he carries in the object)

ELAINE: What is this?

JERRY: Well, I felt bad about this afternoon, so I got you something.

ELAINE: Oh, you did? (to girls) Oh, do you guys all know Jerry?

THE GIRLS: Hi Jerry/Hello. (etc)

JERRY: Hi. Hi Winona. Nice to see you again.

GIRL (NOT WINONA): Elaine, is it your birthday?

ELAINE: No.

JERRY: I don't need a reason to give gifts, it's my nature. I love to make
people happy.

THE GIRLS: Aww/That's so sweet. (general murmur of approval)

JERRY: Are you ready?

ELAINE: Yeah.

JERRY: (whips off bag to reveal Indian) Ta-da!

There is a deathly hush.

JERRY: It's a cigar store Indian. (to Elaine) Read the card.

ELAINE: (examines card) (embarrassed) That's very nice. Thank you very much.

JERRY: Read it out loud.

ELAINE: I, I don't think so.

JERRY: (takes the card from Elaine) We had a little fight this afternoon.
(reading from card) Let's bury the hatchet. We smoke um peace pipe.

WINONA: (gathering her stuff) Hey, you know, it's late. I really should go.

ELAINE: I, uh, I don't blame you Winona. I, uh...

Jerry begins rocking the Indian back and forth, making the stereotypical movie
Indian chant.

JERRY: Hey-yah, ho-ah, hey-yah, ho-ah.

Winona leaves, looking offended.

ELAINE: Are you out of your mind?!

JERRY: ...ho-ah. It's, it's, it's kitschy.

ELAINE: Winona is a Native American.

JERRY: She is?


<snip>


Jerry, downstairs at Winona's building. He's talking on the buzzer.

WINONA (O.C.): Who is it?

JERRY: Uh, Winona, it's Jerry Seinfeld.

WINONA: (unimpressed) Yeah?

JERRY: Uhm, listen, I really felt bad about what happened, and I, I, I'd really
like to apologize. Can I come up?

WINONA: I'll come down.


<snip>


[Street outside Winona's]

WINONA: It's just that it's a very sensitive issue for me.

JERRY: And well it should be. I think if you spent any time with me at all,
you'd see I'm very sensitive to these matters as well. You wouldn't be hungry by
any chance, wouldya?

WINONA: (smiling) I guess I could go for a bite.

JERRY: You like Chinese food, 'cos I once went to a great Szechwan restaurant in
this neighbourhood. I don't remember the exact address... (he spots a mailman
crouched emptying a box) Uh, excuse me, you must know where the Chinese
restaurant is around here.

The mailman stands, turns and is revealed as Chinese. He takes offence.

MAILMAN: Why must I know? Because I'm Chinese? You think I know where all the
Chinese restaurants are? (adopts hackneyed Chinese accent) Oh, ask honolable
Chinaman for rocation of lestaulant.

JERRY: I asked because you were the mailman, you would know the neighbourhood.

MAILMAN: Oh, hello American Joe. Which way to hamburger, hotdog stand? (storms
away)

JERRY: I didn't know that...

WINONA: You know, it's late. I should probably just go home.

JERRY: I, I had no idea.

A cab drives by. Kramer leans out the window, along with the top of the Indian.

KRAMER: (yells) Hey Jerry! (thumps cab door with his palm) Look what I got!
(begins doing war-whoops)

Winona looks offended again. Jerry is mortified, and can find nothing to say.
Winona storms back into her building.


<snip>


[Winona's apartment]

Jerry sits on the couch. Winona enters with their jackets.

WINONA: So, where are we gonna go eat?

JERRY: I thought we'd eat at the Gentle Harvest.

WINONA: Ooh, I love that place, but it's usually so crowded. Can we get a table?

JERRY: Ah, don't worry. I made reser... (catches himself)

WINONA: You made what?

JERRY: I uh, I uh, I arranged for the appropriate accommodation. And then, Knick
tickets, floor seats.

WINONA: How did you get these?

JERRY: Got 'em on the street, from a scal... (catches himself again) A uh, one
of those guys.

WINONA: What guys?

JERRY: You know, the guys, that uh, they sell the tickets for the sold-out
events.

WINONA: Oh.

JERRY: Wait a second, you got the Mark McEwan TV Guide.

WINONA: That's Al Roker.

JERRY: Oh well, they're both chubby weathermen. I get Dom Deluise and Paul
Prudhoe mixed up too. Could I have this?

WINONA: Sure, take it.

JERRY: Thanks.


<snip>


[Jerry's apartment]

Jerry is pouring glasses of Perrier in the kitchen while Winona looks around.

WINONA: I like your place. It's very unassuming.

JERRY: Well, why would I assume. I never assume. Leads to assumptions.

WINONA: (laughs) Oh, by the way. That TV Guide I gave you, I need it back.

JERRY: Why?

WINONA: Well, I'm doing a report on minorities in the media, and I wanted to use
that interview with Al Roker.

JERRY: Well, it's too late. I gave it to Elaine, and she's already on her way to
give it to George's father.

WINONA: Jerry, I really need it back. It, it is mine.

JERRY: You can't give something and then take it back. I mean, what are you...
(catches himself)

WINONA: What?

JERRY: A uh, a person that uh...

WINONA: A person that what?

JERRY: Well, a person that gives something and then they're dissatisfied and
they wish they had, had never uh...

WINONA: And?

JERRY: ...give, given it to the person that they originally gave it to.

WINONA: You mean like, an Indian giver?!

JERRY: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that term.
 
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Wasn't there a scandal way back when it was found out that over half the Indiana legislature members were Klan members (they even had a Klan Day at the State Fair)? Sorry, but it was never isolated to the South.

My last year living in Pennsylvania there was a huge thing about a Philadelphia suburb country club kicking out a day camp because members complained the camp was changing the "complexion" of the club, yes the day camp kids were black, and most club members were white.

But like I agreed with you earlier, the term Redskin has never been a good term, and as I said, just change back to the Braves and they can keep all the logos intact. The Atlanta Braves can't even complain about it, as Washington probably still owns the rights to a football team having that name.

The area between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia is known as Northern Alabama for a reason.

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The area between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia is known as Northern Alabama for a reason.
In 11 years of living in York County, PA, I never heard the term Northern Alabama referred to the area.

Pennsyltucky was the term I always heard. :D

But the case I referred to isn't even considered part of that area, it's in Montgomery County, which is firmly in the Philly metro area.
 
A little late to this party but I would be Switerzland on this issue. I can understand why people would be offended by it. The only real question I have is why did it take so long to talk about this? I mean where was the controversary back in the 80s when the Redskins were going to Super Bowls and winning them? I mean the NFL back then was a world wide sport, it wasnt like the UFL. So if anything, I thought this controversary would have started back in 60s or 70s.
 


Elaine gets up and opens the door, revealing Jerry standing beside a large
object (the Indian) half-covered with a black plastic bag.

ELAINE: Jerry!

JERRY: Surprise! (he carries in the object)

ELAINE: What is this?

JERRY: Well, I felt bad about this afternoon, so I got you something.

ELAINE: Oh, you did? (to girls) Oh, do you guys all know Jerry?

THE GIRLS: Hi Jerry/Hello. (etc)

JERRY: Hi. Hi Winona. Nice to see you again.

GIRL (NOT WINONA): Elaine, is it your birthday?

ELAINE: No.

JERRY: I don't need a reason to give gifts, it's my nature. I love to make
people happy.

THE GIRLS: Aww/That's so sweet. (general murmur of approval)

JERRY: Are you ready?

ELAINE: Yeah.

JERRY: (whips off bag to reveal Indian) Ta-da!

There is a deathly hush.

JERRY: It's a cigar store Indian. (to Elaine) Read the card.

ELAINE: (examines card) (embarrassed) That's very nice. Thank you very much.

JERRY: Read it out loud.

ELAINE: I, I don't think so.

JERRY: (takes the card from Elaine) We had a little fight this afternoon.
(reading from card) Let's bury the hatchet. We smoke um peace pipe.

WINONA: (gathering her stuff) Hey, you know, it's late. I really should go.

ELAINE: I, uh, I don't blame you Winona. I, uh...

Jerry begins rocking the Indian back and forth, making the stereotypical movie
Indian chant.

JERRY: Hey-yah, ho-ah, hey-yah, ho-ah.

Winona leaves, looking offended.

ELAINE: Are you out of your mind?!

JERRY: ...ho-ah. It's, it's, it's kitschy.

ELAINE: Winona is a Native American.

JERRY: She is?


<snip>


Jerry, downstairs at Winona's building. He's talking on the buzzer.

WINONA (O.C.): Who is it?

JERRY: Uh, Winona, it's Jerry Seinfeld.

WINONA: (unimpressed) Yeah?

JERRY: Uhm, listen, I really felt bad about what happened, and I, I, I'd really
like to apologize. Can I come up?

WINONA: I'll come down.


<snip>


[Street outside Winona's]

WINONA: It's just that it's a very sensitive issue for me.

JERRY: And well it should be. I think if you spent any time with me at all,
you'd see I'm very sensitive to these matters as well. You wouldn't be hungry by
any chance, wouldya?

WINONA: (smiling) I guess I could go for a bite.

JERRY: You like Chinese food, 'cos I once went to a great Szechwan restaurant in
this neighbourhood. I don't remember the exact address... (he spots a mailman
crouched emptying a box) Uh, excuse me, you must know where the Chinese
restaurant is around here.

The mailman stands, turns and is revealed as Chinese. He takes offence.

MAILMAN: Why must I know? Because I'm Chinese? You think I know where all the
Chinese restaurants are? (adopts hackneyed Chinese accent) Oh, ask honolable
Chinaman for rocation of lestaulant.

JERRY: I asked because you were the mailman, you would know the neighbourhood.

MAILMAN: Oh, hello American Joe. Which way to hamburger, hotdog stand? (storms
away)

JERRY: I didn't know that...

WINONA: You know, it's late. I should probably just go home.

JERRY: I, I had no idea.

A cab drives by. Kramer leans out the window, along with the top of the Indian.

KRAMER: (yells) Hey Jerry! (thumps cab door with his palm) Look what I got!
(begins doing war-whoops)

Winona looks offended again. Jerry is mortified, and can find nothing to say.
Winona storms back into her building.


<snip>


[Winona's apartment]

Jerry sits on the couch. Winona enters with their jackets.

WINONA: So, where are we gonna go eat?

JERRY: I thought we'd eat at the Gentle Harvest.

WINONA: Ooh, I love that place, but it's usually so crowded. Can we get a table?

JERRY: Ah, don't worry. I made reser... (catches himself)

WINONA: You made what?

JERRY: I uh, I uh, I arranged for the appropriate accommodation. And then, Knick
tickets, floor seats.

WINONA: How did you get these?

JERRY: Got 'em on the street, from a scal... (catches himself again) A uh, one
of those guys.

WINONA: What guys?

JERRY: You know, the guys, that uh, they sell the tickets for the sold-out
events.

WINONA: Oh.

JERRY: Wait a second, you got the Mark McEwan TV Guide.

WINONA: That's Al Roker.

JERRY: Oh well, they're both chubby weathermen. I get Dom Deluise and Paul
Prudhoe mixed up too. Could I have this?

WINONA: Sure, take it.

JERRY: Thanks.


<snip>


[Jerry's apartment]

Jerry is pouring glasses of Perrier in the kitchen while Winona looks around.

WINONA: I like your place. It's very unassuming.

JERRY: Well, why would I assume. I never assume. Leads to assumptions.

WINONA: (laughs) Oh, by the way. That TV Guide I gave you, I need it back.

JERRY: Why?

WINONA: Well, I'm doing a report on minorities in the media, and I wanted to use
that interview with Al Roker.

JERRY: Well, it's too late. I gave it to Elaine, and she's already on her way to
give it to George's father.

WINONA: Jerry, I really need it back. It, it is mine.

JERRY: You can't give something and then take it back. I mean, what are you...
(catches himself)

WINONA: What?

JERRY: A uh, a person that uh...

WINONA: A person that what?

JERRY: Well, a person that gives something and then they're dissatisfied and
they wish they had, had never uh...

WINONA: And?

JERRY: ...give, given it to the person that they originally gave it to.

WINONA: You mean like, an Indian giver?!

JERRY: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that term.

+1. Love that show and episode!!!
 
The only real question I have is why did it take so long to talk about this? I mean where was the controversary back in the 80s when the Redskins were going to Super Bowls and winning them?
This is not new. It is the latest push, but the first serious challenges to the name began in 1992. There were unorganized protests and letter campaigns since at least the early 70s when American Indians finally got a voice in American politics.
 
This is not new. It is the latest push, but the first serious challenges to the name began in 1992. There were unorganized protests and letter campaigns since at least the early 70s when American Indians finally got a voice in American politics.

So the first thing they do is to try to destroy the first amendment?

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The whole problem with this discussion is that we are trying to take a subjective issue and make it an objective argument. What is or is not considered offensive is subjective and opinions can vary greatly even among the group the offense may or may not target. As a society the only way to determine if something is offensive enough to warrant change is if it then become culturally offensive as well, meaning that most or a large enough segment within that culture find it offensive.

Personally, I don't think it is offensive, but I am not native American nor am I easily offended by most things anyway.
 
So the first thing they do is to try to destroy the first amendment?

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The first amendment allows for freedom of speec but it soes not mean that you can say ANYTING in ANY circumstance. While I am not sure that this is as important as some have made it out to be let's not dress this up i the constitution. There is no enumerated or implied right to name a sprts team anything you would like.
 
The first amendment allows for freedom of speec but it soes not mean that you can say ANYTING in ANY circumstance. While I am not sure that this is as important as some have made it out to be let's not dress this up i the constitution. There is no enumerated or implied right to name a sprts team anything you would like.

Redskin as a football team name was never ment to be offensive. So it is covered. Even if it was truly meant as hate speech it would still be covered..its not libel and nobody is being harmed other tan a few Indians out to make a buck...if the Oneidas truly want to be non insulted perhaps they should actually pay taxes on their casino and other businesses in upstate new York..

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Redskin as a football team name was never ment to be offensive. So it is covered. Even if it was truly meant as hate speech it would still be covered..its not libel and nobody is being harmed other tan a few Indians out to make a buck...if the Oneidas truly want to be non insulted perhaps they should actually pay taxes on their casino and other businesses in upstate new York..

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I don't think that anyone eer said it was meant to be offensive. While intent matters it is not the sole determinate of whether something is offensive. I am not sure how the rest of the post even relates to all this.

Again while I don't think that the name should have been chosen to begin with it just does not rise to the level of things that upset me. Having said that I am really amazed at the argument that there is some right to namea team anything you want. Where did that right come from?
 
I don't think that anyone eer said it was meant to be offensive. While intent matters it is not the sole determinate of whether something is offensive. I am not sure how the rest of the post even relates to all this.

Again while I don't think that the name should have been chosen to begin with it just does not rise to the level of things that upset me. Having said that I am really amazed at the argument that there is some right to namea team anything you want. Where did that right come from?

If you want to be respected..pay your fair share

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