Real vMVPD US subscribers totals

[Jimbo]

Sometimes all that is left is to laugh.

Or do you really want another person replying to each post to rebut it and point out how it doesn't make any sense? That's kind of what the reactions are for... or you want every other post in a thread to be 'me too' and 'I agree' or 'LOL' ... ?

You don't care about the numbers but you seem to impulsively jump into these threads to self-immolate yourself in the replies for some reason.





I just... what are you looking to accomplish here?

You keep walking this same path and then get upset every time where it leads.

Generally speaking, they jump into threads that I am already part of.
IF All the Numbers discussions were in 1 thread or even 1 forum would be different, but they are all over ...

Thats all I'm gonna say about it.

To your other point, so your saying that Every post I have made, in your mind, I am wrong, so you Laugh at me about it ?

How sad it must be that you would waste time to do such a thing ...
I also find it hard to believe that each and every post of mine have said absolutely nothing ...

You don't like me, yet you don't even know me ...

 

[Bruce]

I do plenty of Streaming ... I just find it incredibly stupid that you have to have 7 different Streaming Services to watch what you want, when it was all in one place.

New content on Paid Live TV ( what little there is) is on a few different channels, not one.

Streaming Services just has those channels via apps.

For example, if I want to watch content from CBS, either turn the channel to CBS or go to Paramount+, where I can get. the same CBS content, plus all the extras, including streaming shows, CBS shows (and the other content) in 1080P or 4K.

I never said RSNs were Great ... just that, That IS where the games Are coming from ... like I said before, I don't care if its an RSN or what, as long as you can get them ... MLB for example, once the RSNs are done, Someone will still have those games.

You interjected yourself into that conversation and just did not like the answers, but your entire pro RSN comments were I like them, nothing factual at all regarding the numbers.

Generally speaking, they jump into threads that I am already part of.

Where, I largely stay out of the DirecTV forums, but they definitely need the activity, sometimes they go a week without a new post.

IF All the Numbers discussions were in 1 thread or even 1 forum would be different, but they are all over ...

They are different subjects, this thread was started because it was the first time we had actual information on DirecTV Stream sub numbers ( and it was terrible).

Now, I know DirecTV by internet sub numbers also, but I cannot reveal them until they are released publicly like Stream’s were.

But you would be astonished by what they are, that is a hint.

To your other point, so your saying that Every post I have made, in your mind, I am wrong, so you Laugh at me about it ?

You need to research more, instead of putting your personal feelings of I hate that things are changing, into these posts.

Yes everything is changing, but how we watch and receive Television Programming has always been about change.

I also find it hard to believe that each and every post of mine have said absolutely nothing ...

Because you put nothing factual into them, like how you came charging in here about what I posted about sports and the RSNs.

My post was actual ratings and subscriber numbers, your counterpoint was I like sports and so do others, so you are wrong.

That is not how statistics and analytics works.

 

[Bruce]

Just curious: you planning to subscribe to Venu Sports this fall since it will carry all the ESPN and Fox Sports channels? Should be at least $20/mo less than YTTV.

Do not know yet.

 

[Jimbo]

New content on Paid Live TV ( what little there is) is on a few different channels, not one.

Streaming Services just has those channels via apps.

For example, if I want to watch content from CBS, either turn the channel to CBS or go to Paramount+, where I can get. the same CBS content, plus all the extras, including streaming shows, CBS shows (and the other content) in 1080P or 4K.

You interjected yourself into that conversation and just did not like the answers, but your entire pro RSN comments were I like them, nothing factual at all regarding the numbers.


Where, I largely stay out of the DirecTV forums, but they definitely need the activity, sometimes they go a week without a new post.

They are different subjects, this thread was started because it was the first time we had actual information on DirecTV Stream sub numbers ( and it was terrible).

Now, I know DirecTV by internet sub numbers also, but I cannot reveal them until they are released publicly like Stream’s were.

But you would be astonished by what they are, that is a hint.

You need to research more, instead of putting your personal feelings of I hate that things are changing, into these posts.

Yes everything is changing, but how we watch and receive Television Programming has always been about change.

Because you put nothing factual into them, like how you came charging in here about what I posted about sports and the RSNs.

My post was actual ratings and subscriber numbers, your counterpoint was I like sports and so do others, so you are wrong.

That is not how statistics and analytics works.

I never said you were wrong, I said we shouldn't have to have the numbers pushed into Every thread someone talks about.

 

[Bruce]

I never said you were wrong, I said we shouldn't have to have the numbers pushed into Every thread someone talks about.

This is the forum where that information should be, is it not?

Should I have posted those awful subscriber numbers on Stream in the DirecTV Forum?

Or should I pop in over there and remind everyone that DirecTV has lost about 15 Million subscribers in 7 years, about 2-3 years from being unprofitable.

I did not do that because I would be accused of trolling then and probably have it deleted.

All it comes down to, you hate the numbers, because it confirms everything I have been posting for the last few years, the current form of Paid Live TV is coming to a end in our near future.

And again, this thread was about the numbers, was not something I threw in here.

 

[Teehar]

It was basically another version of a personal attack, which is happening more often again.

Another person here did the same when I post positive news about Netflix.

By the way, I have owned Alphabet/Google stock since before YTTV was a thing, have not bought any new shares for years.

lol personal attack,hardly.You just seem like you have a personal agenda against Dish,DTV,and cable companies.Declaring YTTV has won is not factual.Why not just post the graph without injecting any of your one sided opinions?

 

[Teehar]

Why do facts that show a given service leading the pack mean that the poster must have stock in that service just because he mentions it a lot. Facts are facts, and this is something he does for a living, publish them.

YTTV has won, it is the future of Paid Live TV, it is Larger Than Hulu + Live TV, DIRECTV STREAM, & Fubo Combined

Sure doesn't look like a (FACT) to me.Seems very much like a biased opinion.

 

[Bruce]

lol personal attack,hardly.

You brought up myself possibly having stock in a company as a negative, specially since it would have obsoletely have nothing to do with the subscriber numbers.

You just seem like you have a personal agenda against Dish,DTV,and cable companies.Declaring YTTV has won is not factual.Why not just post the graph without injecting any of your one sided opinions?

I have a biased against all Paid Live TV Providers, where else can you get less and less new content, yet the price keeps going up and up, some services twice a year.

YTTV has won, it is the future of Paid Live TV,

It has won, it is the only Paid Live TV service to gain customers ( and a lot of them ) the last 7 years.

it is Larger Than Hulu + Live TV, DIRECTV STREAM, & Fubo Combined

It is, that is what the numbers show us.

Sure doesn't look like a (FACT) to me.Seems very much like a biased opinion.

How is it biased?

Instead of attacking me for my opinion, which is based on facts ( the subscriber numbers for example).

Give your opinion, why will YTTV ( who is still gaining 500,000 subs a quarter) not become #1 in a few years.

How will DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, Charter stop the subscriber loss ( about 1.5 Million a quarter), how can they pull up out the tailspin they are in.

It is incredibly easy to criticize, not so easy to provide answers.

 

[Teehar]

You brought up myself possibly having stock in a company as a negative, specially since it would have obsoletely have nothing to do with the subscriber numbers.

I have a biased against all Paid Live TV Providers, where else can you get less and less new content, yet the price keeps going up and up, some services twice a year.


It has won, it is the only Paid Live TV service to gain customers ( and a lot of them ) the last 7 years.

It is, that is what the numbers show us.

How is it biased?

Instead of attacking me for my opinion, which is based on facts ( the subscriber numbers for example).

Give your opinion, why will YTTV ( who is still gaining 500,000 subs a quarter) not become #1 in a few years.

How will DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, Charter stop the subscriber loss ( about 1.5 Million a quarter), how can they pull up out the tailspin they are in.

It is incredibly easy to criticize, not so easy to provide answers.

You obviously have an agenda.Now you can try to play the victim all you want,but the fact remains you admit to having a biased opinion or negative feelings against all live tv providers,yet you sit back and triumphantly cheer for YTTV lol.How anyone could put any stock in your biased opinions is beyond me.

The reason I asked if you had stock in YTTV is due to your cheer leading like they are some great company.But anyway I'm done with you,you don't seem to respond well when someone questions you and your opinionated posts.

Hope you have a great day

 

[meStevo]

You obviously have an agenda.Now you can try to play the victim all you want,but the fact remains you admit to having a biased opinion or negative feelings against all live tv providers,yet you sit back and triumphantly cheer for YTTV lol.How anyone could put any stock in your biased opinions is beyond me.

The reason I asked if you had stock in YTTV is due to your cheer leading like they are some great company.But anyway I'm done with you,you don't seem to respond well when someone questions you and your opinionated posts.

Hope you have a great day

The difference between fact and opinion in his posts is pretty clear. Should be pretty clear to you too.

It's clear some people are hanging on a bit too tightly to services that everyone else can see are clearly failing or will be irrevocably changed due to changes in the industry and viewer trends.

Surprise! In the IPTV forum you might find people who are interested in the platforms that are actually growing and becoming successful (even when not subscribers at the moment, like both Bruce and I).

'Do you own stock' is up there with 'if you love it you should marry it', at this point in forum responses. It has nothing to do with what he posted regardless.

 

[Bruce]

You obviously have an agenda.Now you can try to play the victim all you want,but the fact remains you admit to having a biased opinion or negative feelings against all live tv providers,yet you sit back and triumphantly cheer for YTTV lol.How anyone could put any stock in your biased opinions is beyond me.

Again, I left YTTV back in January, broadcast/cable channels are no longer producing enough new content to make it worth it.

Specially since I get that same content on the streaming services, in much better quality plus all the extras, at a much less expensive price.

The reason I asked if you had stock in YTTV is due to your cheer leading like they are some great company.

Alphabet is a great company, been quite happy with the gains of my shares, but I still cancelled the service months ago.

But anyway I'm done with you,you don't seem to respond well when someone questions you and your opinionated posts.

Actually, I know I did not make one personal attack towards you, as you tried to do with that you must own stock in the company comment, like that would influence my thoughts on the company.

I do, those who handle my account acquired shares years before YTTV was even thought about.

 

[Ronnie-]

There is nothing wrong with the OP posting this info in this section, it’s what the section is here for.

Yes, many of the topics do deal with a very similar subject, and have a lot of the same talking points, but there is nothing inherently wrong with that either.

If others don’t like the subject matter, or the poster of it for that matter, ignore it.

Don’t come in detailing the thread with the bickering, as it tends to carry over to other sections.

Thanks.

 

[Teehar]

The difference between fact and opinion in his posts is pretty clear. Should be pretty clear to you too.

It's clear some people are hanging on a bit too tightly to services that everyone else can see are clearly failing or will be irrevocably changed due to changes in the industry and viewer trends.

Surprise! In the IPTV forum you might find people who are interested in the platforms that are actually growing and becoming successful (even when not subscribers at the moment, like both Bruce and I).

'Do you own stock' is up there with 'if you love it you should marry it', at this point in forum responses. It has nothing to do with what he posted regardless.

lol fact.See this is where you lose me.The original post he made was not all (FACT) it was biased and opinionated.I called him out on it.You don't agree ok fine.But if you take his original post as FACT I have a bridge for sale

 

[Teehar]

There is nothing wrong with the OP posting this info in this section, it’s what the section is here for.

Yes, many of the topics do deal with a very similar subject, and have a lot of the same talking points, but there is nothing inherently wrong with that either.

If others don’t like the subject matter, or the poster of it for that matter, ignore it.

Don’t come in detailing the thread with the bickering, as it tends to carry over to other sections.

Thanks.

I see nothing wrong with calling bs on non factual statements.But anyway I have him on ignore now so all is good

 

[Bruce]

lol fact.See this is where you lose me.The original post he made was not all (FACT) it was biased and opinionated.I called him out on it.You don't agree ok fine.But if you take his original post as FACT I have a bridge for sale

And yet, that post had a link in it to prove what I was posting.

 

[RaiderPower]

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nScreenNoise – vMVPD reality check: FASTs threat or salvation?

It's time for a vMVPD reality check. The industry faces the same fate as cable TV. FASTs are also a challenge but could provide salvation.

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Since DIRECTV stopped reporting subscriber numbers when they went private in 2021, I'd be curious to see the source of the DRECTV STREAM numbers as I didn't see it cited in the article.

 

[Bruce]

Since DIRECTV stopped reporting subscriber numbers when they went private in 2021, I'd be curious to see the source of the DRECTV STREAM numbers as I didn't see it cited in the article.

I do not know where they received the numbers, but the numbers for each DirecTV service are out there now, since AT&T is putting up their 70% of the company for sale this August, any Financial Group or Journalists has access.

I do have this, Fitch Ratings last reported the numbers a few months ago for the company as a whole-

DIRECTV's video subscriber base (combined DIRECTV, U-verse, DIRECTV Stream) is the third largest traditional multi-channel video programming distributor (MVPD) in the U.S. with approximately 11.3 million subscribers at the end of 3Q23.

So with a average of 500,000 lost per quarter ( also in that report), that gives them a total of 10.3 Million as of now.

It is easy to figure out the average of losses, from the first link-

U.S. with approximately 13.3 million subscribers at the end of 3Q22,

Second link-

U.S. with approximately 11.3 million subscribers at the end of 3Q23.

So that is 2 Million gone in 4 Quarters ( a year), a average of 500,000

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/corporate-finance/fitch-affirms-directv-entertainment-holdings-llc-at-bb-outlook-stable-05-12-2022

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/corporate-finance/fitch-affirms-directv-ratings-at-bb-senior-secured-ratings-at-bbb-rr1-08-01-2024

 

[RaiderPower]

I do not know where they received the numbers, but the numbers for each DirecTV service are out there now, since AT&T is putting up their 70% of the company for sale this August, any Financial Group or Journalists has access.

I do have this, Fitch Ratings last reported the numbers a few months ago for the company as a whole-

DIRECTV's video subscriber base (combined DIRECTV, U-verse, DIRECTV Stream) is the third largest traditional multi-channel video programming distributor (MVPD) in the U.S. with approximately 11.3 million subscribers at the end of 3Q23.

So with a average of 500,000 lost per quarter ( also in that report), that gives them a total of 10.3 Million as of now.

It is easy to figure out the average of losses, from the first link-

U.S. with approximately 13.3 million subscribers at the end of 3Q22,

Second link-

U.S. with approximately 11.3 million subscribers at the end of 3Q23.

So that is 2 Million gone in 4 Quarters ( a year), a average of 500,000

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/corporate-finance/fitch-affirms-directv-entertainment-holdings-llc-at-bb-outlook-stable-05-12-2022

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/corporate-finance/fitch-affirms-directv-ratings-at-bb-senior-secured-ratings-at-bbb-rr1-08-01-2024

The question remains, from where did the author of the article get his numbers?

Oh, and journalists would most definitely not have access to that information merely as a result of AT&T shopping its 70% holding and any financial entity that expressed an interest in purchasing the same would be required to sign an NDA before any such information was shared.

 

[RaiderPower]

I just left Disney, now work for a Media Finance Group, everything gets leaked to the financial journalists.

Yes, there are, indeed, a multitude of possibilities as to where the article's author may have derived the DIRECTV STREAM subscriber numbers, including, but not likely, a "leak."

That said, my own suspicion is that as is the case with so many current-day so-called "journalists," he merely concocted a number he liked, got comfortable with it, and then just plugged it in.

The above notwithstanding, if you have any actual evidence to the contrary, I am all ears (eyes).

 

[ncted]

Yes, there are, indeed, a multitude of possibilities as to where the article's author may have derived the DIRECTV STREAM subscriber numbers, including, but not likely, a "leak."

That said, my own suspicion is that as is the case with so many current-day so-called "journalists," he merely concocted a number he liked, got comfortable with it, and then just plugged it in.

The above notwithstanding, if you have any actual evidence to the contrary, I am all ears (eyes).

That's possible. nScreenMedia appears to be a company of 2 people, one of which got to a dead-end in his career and decided to build a business around his network of contacts throughout the industry to make a fancy looking blog. The numbers could easily be a mix of real and imagined values. There is no way to tell if the companies themselves don't report them. Even then, I tend not to trust companies to report accurate numbers about as much as I do a 2-employee company to get accurate "leaks" from within said companies.