Rainbow Media Unveils DIVINE HD First Ever 24/7 High-Definition Gay Movie Channel
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Preserve the Right to Be Offended
Joke? Lightly? Discrimination at any level is not a joke and is not to be taken lightly! Our Constitution guarantees us all the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In order for us to live in a free society we must all realize that comes with a certain responsibility; the responsibility to let those who we perceive as different from ourselves live freely. We also have the right to freedom of speech. In order for that to work everyone must be allowed to speak freely without being censored. With that right comes another responsibility; to allow everyone to speak, even those with whom we disagree. We are all entitled to our opinion about what someone else says and does, just read this forum, but none of us have the right to say someone else should not be heard. Before you ask Voom to treat a genre of content you dislike "differently" think about what that really means. It means you have usurped everyone else’s right to choose for themselves. Sorry but I will fight for my right to be offended every time rather that let someone else choose for me what I can be disgusted at whether I am paying for it or not!
savethefamily said:
Joke? Lightly? Discrimination at any level is not a joke and is not to be taken lightly! Our Constitution guarantees us all the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In order for us to live in a free society we must all realize that comes with a certain responsibility; the responsibility to let those who we perceive as different from ourselves live freely. We also have the right to freedom of speech. In order for that to work everyone must be allowed to speak freely without being censored. With that right comes another responsibility; to allow everyone to speak, even those with whom we disagree. We are all entitled to our opinion about what someone else says and does, just read this forum, but none of us have the right to say someone else should not be heard. Before you ask Voom to treat a genre of content you dislike "differently" think about what that really means. It means you have usurped everyone else’s right to choose for themselves. Sorry but I will fight for my right to be offended every time rather that let someone else choose for me what I can be disgusted at whether I am paying for it or not!
discodol said:
Then, using your logic, the beastiality lifestyles (non-graphic) channel is OK. The courts have ruled it is not considered "cruelty" to animals, so you can't use the "as long as no one or living being is harmed" argument. Your quote allows this channel on basic packages.
And don't try to cop out by saying I'm comparing homosexuality to beastiality, b/c nowhere did I say that.
cyuhnke said:
You are absolutely right! There is no comparison between homosexuality and beastiality. I am glad we agree on that one! The only thing my logic talked about being "ok" was the individual's right to speek freely and the individual's right to be offended at someone else's free speech or in this case gay programming. I for one am glad Voom is offering some diversity in content and am looking forward to deciding for my self whether the mountain is a mole hill or not. The good news until Senator Joe McCarthy is re-elected you are still free to decide for yourself too!
discodol said:
Ok I've been trying hard to stay on topic, so I'll make this part brief...
So if I discriminate between having a friend over and having a murderer over, is that a bad thing? If someone's happiness includes murder, should we let them pursue that? It is not encroaching on someone's freedom of speech in limiting them from coming into your household, or at least not requiring the public to pay for someone else's agenda.
The only thing I'm asking for is to be given a choice NOT to pay for something I don't want to support or see. If the homosexual channel is important to you, I would have no issue with you paying for it and having it.
My assertion is that your argument is flawed because it is too permissive even for you.
"I don't care how offensive it is to anybody, free speech is free speech. Everyone has a right to be heard in a free society. There's nothing wrong with content you don't like, it's just different. Turn the channel."
My assertion is that using your argument, most speech or programming is allowed on basic television, including beastiality. Show me how your original post precludes this type of programming. You were trying to assert yourself as someone with an excellent command of rhetoric and reason. Please use your gifts so that we simpletons can be made to see the truth
STF-
You do have a choice and you don't seem to see it. Make that several choices. You can cancel Voom, now. Or you can never tune in a channel that will have movies you may have already seen.
Just like you can choose- to stop posting in this thread, trying to push your inane and close minded morals down everyone elses throat.
Don't go away mad, just go away.
You do have a choice and you don't seem to see it. Make that several choices. You can cancel Voom, now. Or you can never tune in a channel that will have movies you may have already seen.
Just like you can choose- to stop posting in this thread, trying to push your inane and close minded morals down everyone elses throat.
Don't go away mad, just go away.
cyuhnke said:
My idea of a Free America does not include the Mind Police or the Thought Patrol. No matter how pure or perverse someone else may think a program presented on Voom may be, I still reserve the right to make that determination for myself!
Why not make every single channel "a la carte" so that I can pick and choose what to watch? This is insane. There are channels out there that are consider "normal" by someone's standard and yet have lower principles. I wish I did not have to pay for any of the MTV channels since I consider them to be a "waste of bandwith" and it they are put in my basic package. I wish I did not have to pay for CNN, Oxygen, and others that I do not watch either because I don't agree with them. I wish I did not have to pay for 5 religous channels either on my basic package either.
This channel has not even launched and already we have pre-conceived ideas of what is going to be and how it is going to affect our society in general. Wow!
This channel has not even launched and already we have pre-conceived ideas of what is going to be and how it is going to affect our society in general. Wow!
The fact that the channel has not even aired yet and some people have gone through the roof just because it is designated a "gay" channel, is insane.
1) Judging from the press release, it will feature movies with Gay themes ( the birdcage etc.) It will offer content type currently seen on HBO, Showtime and any number of other channels. It's simply consolidated in one place
2) It is not a gay porn channel.
3) the parental locks will allow anyone to lock it out if it offends them. Do you allow your children unsupervised acess to the other cinema 10 channels? there is nudity, violence and content unsuitable for children shown here and it is part of the Standard package.
Quite honestly I think there will probably be several good movies to watch there. The Birdcage for one. Hank Azaria is hilarious in it.
1) Judging from the press release, it will feature movies with Gay themes ( the birdcage etc.) It will offer content type currently seen on HBO, Showtime and any number of other channels. It's simply consolidated in one place
2) It is not a gay porn channel.
3) the parental locks will allow anyone to lock it out if it offends them. Do you allow your children unsupervised acess to the other cinema 10 channels? there is nudity, violence and content unsuitable for children shown here and it is part of the Standard package.
Quite honestly I think there will probably be several good movies to watch there. The Birdcage for one. Hank Azaria is hilarious in it.
Sean Mota said:
The rationale to make the homosexual channel a la carte is because whether or not you like it, the fact is that many people find homosexuality undesirable and don't want to pay to spread it into normalcy.
Sean, if you're one of the people who find Christianity offensive, then feel free to push for that to be separated also. However as far as I know, Voom doesn't have any Christian channels to separate. (Why would that be one might ask?)
The pre-conceived notions of the channel emanate from the press release.
I realize you can use parental controls to block kids from watching the channel - but then you are still paying to support something that many people find unnatural (the Bible uses stronger words). Secondly, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that even if you block the channel from being viewed, you can't block it from being shown on the guide.
The big question is - why would anyone care if *I* don't receive the gay channel? Why are some people so amazingly incensed that many people don't want to embrace the gay lifestyle? I'm not advocating destruction of all gay programming - I'm just asking to be given a choice not to be part of it. What's wrong with that?
NOHDjunkie said:
My kids are grownups, but I still don't understand why in our society bloody, violent movies ala Arnold or Segal showing mindless killings can be PG13 but showing a naked female breast for 2 seconds is equivalent to at least R rating (and still widely available on regular channels).
savethefamily said:
Not yet but D*, E* and every single cable company does. I still have cable and Dish and have to pay for them as well. I have nothing against them at all and I could not careless if any make it to VOOM. My point is that you guys are making this the end of the United States Society when it is not. There are worse things that are happening every day around you and yet we spend time talking about a single channel which has yet to air.
Overblown by this -- I am not -- But it seems like a lot of you are taking it to heart when you can simply lock the channel or change the channel and throw away the key and forget about it. This is what I do with my kids. I locked away every single program that is not rated G on their satellite box. Set it and forget it. In reality, you and I maybe paying cents for this channel. I guess we'll keep throwing ideas until we run out words...
that's life... C'est la vie...savethefamily said:
1 to 3 percent of people are homosexual. 80% of people go to church. When Voom has a channel set aside for the first group, but not the second group, doesn't that raise some legitimate questions?
facts found here
Is there a Christian HD channel available?
Just wondring if there is a christian HD channel avaliable?
Any religious HD channel?
I know there are SD channels available, but HD?
Just wondring if there is a christian HD channel avaliable?
Any religious HD channel?
I know there are SD channels available, but HD?
I have two issues with your protesting.savethefamily said:
1) Did you look (my) the second post in this thread? I said that, In My Humble Opinion, Voom is going to be doing a sweep process to move much, maybe all, of the homosexual content of its Voom owned channels into just one channel. Looking at channel lineups, Ziggy Stardust is being moved from Epics to Devine. Yeah. I guessed right. My expectatitions are that they will continue to shuffle all the controverisial content into this one channel, just so you can lock it out and feel better. Now, I don't know why Bette Midler got thrown in there. You can lock it out. I on the other hand will be watching both shows.
2) Which church do you give a channel to? Catholic, Protestants, Baptists, Methodist, Islam? Each think they have the best answer to the ultimate question. They do not coexist nicely. My mother happens to be an ordained minister, so I have been through these arguements many times. Please, I want a serious answer on this one.
Since I live in Detroit, I have to consider Islam. I live 20 minutes from the largest population of Arabs in the western hemisphere. I regularly stop at grocery stores and gas stations where there magazine/newpaper rack does not contain an english publication. Some are christian arabs, some are islamic. That is a way of life here.
Impatient said:
Well from a business standpoint to me it would make sense to look at your customer population and give programming proportional to the customer demographics. Perhaps it would also depend on which religions are willing to provide the programming to fill the channels.
Your question suggests that there can be only one church channel - of course that's not the case. Even if that had to be the situation different blocks of the day could be allocated to different religions. (8-10 Catholics, 10-12 Baptists, etc etc).
But still the basic question remains the same - why make a channel for the 1-3% of the population and NOT for ANY of the religions you listed? To me it suggests an agenda. :shocked
Still all that is beyond the point. Why not give the customer an option to tailor at least some of his/her interests to what he/she's going to pay for? You need not go crazy with every single channel - but a few more options than 2 would be nice.
Why force a channel with a focus that is against the beliefs of nearly every major established religion on people without an option to opt out? To me it doesn't even make basic business sense (especially when some of the sites out there are talking about boycotts).
It is my understanding that you have cancelled your instilation of Voom. As far as adjendas go, it appears you have one because you are still posting. It is one channel out of 100 channels that voom offers. You do have the ability to opt out, and use your parental control. I will look forward to the channel launching so we can discuss something more interesting like new channels and upgrades. I have several several friends that will be joining Voom, and they are the least concerned over one channel.
Davey Roa said:
My agenda is simple and I've stated it several times. I'd like to get Voom. I'd like to get Voom WITHOUT the homosexual focus channel. Again, why is that such a bad thing?
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