PS3 security broken for good?

[diogen]

Is it really so hard to grasp that wishful thinking has never anything to do with real life? And moralization never helps?

Wouldn't we want to un-invent the A-Bomb?
And how much did moralizing and referring to "american values" help prevent stock market tanking after 9/11?

WTF does "It used to be secure! The hackers should go find a job!" have to do with reality?
Network security is a process, not a state. And this has been known for at least a decade.
Running unpatched Apache servers with known and well publicized vulnerabilities.
How arogant should a company be to hope to get away with it.

Is Sony the worst? Of course not. Some Brazilian branch of Johnson&Johnson is probably much worse than they are.
But hacking J&J gives you nothing of value in the hacker community. So, nobody gives a sh!t...

The internet cannot be uninvented.
Companies like Sony cannon live without the internet.
The hackers will always be one step ahead in terms of understanding the internals of the internet.
Hence, not pi$$ing them off is a prudent way of doing business. Companies that don't get it will be taught...

And there is no better way to pi$$ them off than f*** with Linux...

Diogen.

 

[meStevo]

If it really becomes that expensive then there is no PS4. There is a point where they will cut their losses and give up on a product line. Is that in the best interest of the consumer? All because a couple of criminals want to screw stuff up. This is really no different than if your local electronic store accidentally left a door open at night and you just happened to find out that it was open. Do you think that because they were "too stupid or too arrogant" to lock their door that it is OK for you to go help yourself to a new TV or AV setup? Obviously not. This is no different. What is probably going to happen is that either on the PS3 or the PS4 the company will decided that it is too expensive to give away free access to their PSN and we have to start paying for it. Boy that sure helped the consumer... I'll say it again, these "hackers" are criminals and should be prosecuted just like someone that walks into an open store door and steals merchandise.

You are vastly overstating the impact to make a fairly absurd point. Like Diogen said, information security is a process not a 'ok, we're good' type of thing. Sony posted their $3.4b loss today. The games division is in the black by over $400m for FY2010. To run the kind of network that they have and to have completely incompetent information security policies that led to this happening is not something that can be excused, and I hope the lawsuits against them hit them hard enough to spare no expense to prevent this kind of thing again, otherwise we'll be treated to another near grinning Kaz video welcoming us back, like he's doing us another favor rather than being humble about it.

Sony didn't leave the doors unlocked on the PSN, they removed the entire wall and left the lights on. They get everything coming to them for this intrusion.

 

[lakebum431]

The "absurd point" being that hackers are criminals? And that they are really the bad guys here?

 

[diogen]

Hackers are criminals, yes... After their crime has been proven in court...

Now what?

What are Sony chances to get them? What happens if they don't?

What happens in the meantime? B!tching and moralizing continues?

BTW, "Sony would have to abandon the PlayStation products" line of thinking is just as "misguided"...

Diogen.

 

[lakebum431]

If someone comes up to your family and shoots one of them in the head do you not consider them a crimnal until the court says so? It is the act of the crime that makes them a criminal not the court saying they are guilty. I'm not saying any specific "hacker" is a criminal, I'm saying the hackers in this case who caused the breach in security are. It is not Sony's job to "get them" it is law enforcement officers' job to do that.

At the end of the day, Sony is a Company that is in the business to make money. If it got to the point (I'm not saying that it is there now or that it will get there) that they had to spend more money on their network/products to keep them secure than they take in over the lifecycle of that product, then you can bet your butt that they would drop the product line. If this continues to spiral out of control then it "could" get there. I'm not saying that is what is going to happen, my only point is that we (the consumer) would be negatively impacted if that was the case.

 

[diogen]

If I have to chose between "supporting the criminals" and lame rhetoric like this (just a Hitler analogy is missing!),
I'll pick the former every single time...

Take care.
Diogen.

 

[diogen]

Things change fast at Sony nowadays... I wonder why?

Just two months ago Sony wasn't even debating PS4.
And today it is well underway. Magic Sony-style...

And some sober voices to start with
Sony: No Plans For PS3-type Investment For Future Consoles

No more "people should get a second job to pay for the console", nor Blu-ray drives,
nor 10 USB connectors, multiple network interfaces, router functionality, etc.

And you won't believe this: not a single word about Linux!

Diogen.

 

[tnsprin]

Sony announced that full function including Playstation Store would be back this week.

Full PSN Services, including PlayStation Store, Return This Week – PlayStation Blog

Don't forget your "welcome back" games and movies from the store once its back.

 

[rocket69]

Sony is going to be a example of why you should hear what the hackers say and fix your problems vs taking them in to court.
A new party crasher comes at sony Group Claims to be Attacking Sony, Stealing Data. Again.

 

[TheForce]

Sony announced that full function including Playstation Store would be back this week.

Full PSN Services, including PlayStation Store, Return This Week – PlayStation Blog

Don't forget your "welcome back" games and movies from the store once its back.

Thanks for the update. I've been wondering why it is taking so long. They've been down for, what, 6 weeks?

 

[charper1]

Sony is going to be a example of why you should hear what the hackers say and fix your problems vs taking them in to court.
A new party crasher comes at sony Group Claims to be Attacking Sony, Stealing Data. Again.

This is borderline foolish. Hackers can warn of potential issues and I will agree with that BUT then taking the knowledge to break in a steal is criminal. Plain & simple and they should be taken to court at every turn.

 

[diogen]

For the first time in a long time the Hotz case showed that big companies do not always win against the small guy.
It took a (historically) arrogant company and a bunch stupid lawyers knowing nothing about technology, but still...

And G8 countries can call for laws online to be the same as offline and the US military can threaten with missiles the worm writers.

The fact remains: there is a small group of people that know more about the internet than the rest of us.
They are not born criminals. They practice their art because they can get away with it.

Even knowing-everything-Google has a very vague idea who exactly hacked them and some 10 other companies.
Or who wrote Stuxnet. Or what other agencies did what with the rootkits HBGary sold them.

The internet is intentionally left grey. And until this is the case only stupid hackers will be caught...

100M PSN users undeservedly punished? It is Sony who f***ed them, not the hackers...

Diogen.

 

[dangue]

For the first time in a long time the Hotz case showed that big companies do not always win against the small guy.
It took a (historically) arrogant company and a bunch stupid lawyers knowing nothing about technology, but still...

And G8 countries can call for laws online to be the same as offline and the US military can threaten with missiles the worm writers.

The fact remains: there is a small group of people that know more about the internet than the rest of us.
They are not born criminals. They practice their art because they can get away with it.

Even knowing-everything-Google has a very vague idea who exactly hacked them and some 10 other companies.
Or who wrote Stuxnet. Or what other agencies did what with the rootkits HBGary sold them.

The internet is intentionally left grey. And until this is the case only stupid hackers will be caught...

100M PSN users undeservedly punished? It is Sony who f***ed them, not the hackers...

Diogen.

Sorry, the hackers share the blame here. To say otherwise is purely showing your pro hacker bias rather than being an objective interpretation of the facts.

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[rocket69]

True if they did hack into the server then yes they do need to see a juge but those are not the ones sony will get. A real hard look would be need to see that ANON group did no such hack other then staging a huge influx on servers as a protest to defend those who have modified the console to do what it was intended to in the the first place and had ended the dos days prior to the real hack.

I would look more at the 1/3 of the employees in their online division that got pink slipped days prior to the hack.

System admins need to keep up with the black hat crews most resent was lockhead martin using technoligy that was reported broken in the underground months prior to some roge hacker dumping there method public 2 weeks prior. Lockheed Martin Confirms Hack, Says No Critical Data at Risk

 

[digiblur]

For the first time in a long time the Hotz case showed that big companies do not always win against the small guy.
It took a (historically) arrogant company and a bunch stupid lawyers knowing nothing about technology, but still...

And G8 countries can call for laws online to be the same as offline and the US military can threaten with missiles the worm writers.

The fact remains: there is a small group of people that know more about the internet than the rest of us.
They are not born criminals. They practice their art because they can get away with it.

Even knowing-everything-Google has a very vague idea who exactly hacked them and some 10 other companies.
Or who wrote Stuxnet. Or what other agencies did what with the rootkits HBGary sold them.

The internet is intentionally left grey. And until this is the case only stupid hackers will be caught...

100M PSN users undeservedly punished? It is Sony who f***ed them, not the hackers...

Diogen.

Very well said! Now they are not going to leave Sony alone.

 

[DodgerKing]

Sorry, the hackers share the blame here. To say otherwise is purely showing your pro hacker bias rather than being an objective interpretation of the facts.

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No doubt. That is like solely blaming a bank that gets robbed due to lack of security and not blaming the robbers at all

 

[DodgerKing]

For the first time in a long time the Hotz case showed that big companies do not always win against the small guy.
It took a (historically) arrogant company and a bunch stupid lawyers knowing nothing about technology, but still...

And G8 countries can call for laws online to be the same as offline and the US military can threaten with missiles the worm writers.

The fact remains: there is a small group of people that know more about the internet than the rest of us.
They are not born criminals. They practice their art because they can get away with it.

Even knowing-everything-Google has a very vague idea who exactly hacked them and some 10 other companies.
Or who wrote Stuxnet. Or what other agencies did what with the rootkits HBGary sold them.

The internet is intentionally left grey. And until this is the case only stupid hackers will be caught...

100M PSN users undeservedly punished? It is Sony who f***ed them, not the hackers...

Diogen.

These are bizarre times we live in epitomized by the generation of entailment, where everyone thinks they are entitled to certain things and things should be done the way they want. Narcissism and childish behavior are not only allowed, but often encouraged.

I am sorry that Sony is providing a free service, one which they do not have to do. This is Sony's service and they have to right to set it up how they want and you have the right to choose to use it or not. Nobody is entitled to break in, rob, steal, or create havoc, a very childish and immature act, because Sony (the adult) decided the change the rules. What is even worse is there are people who justify such actions.

I am sorry, stealing and breaking and entering are not considered art.

 

[diogen]

Sorry, the hackers share the blame here.

Share... I like that. And would probably agree.

Just keep in mind that next time you find yourself in the wild West, not only without a gun but
also no clue how to use it, you might want to think twice before insulting others that have guns and
are good with them. Because what they will do to you at some point can be argued as self-defense...

Diogen.

 

[diogen]

What is even worse is there are people who justify such actions.

Ouch...
Justifying an action is now worse than the action itself, eh...?

Look, you (the child) has been taken away your favorite toy. And you are pi$$ed. I can understand that.
Now do a little mental gymnastics and imagine people for whom Linux in the PS3 was the favorite toy.
But unlike you, they know how to take revenge...

Diogen.

 

[diogen]

I would look more at the 1/3 of the employees in their online division that got pink slipped days prior to the hack.

Doing this would be synonymous to being smart.
Sony won't be caught dead in that mental state...

Diogen.