please help advise me how to wire a new home for satellite

[navychop]

Ouch! Compression is MUCH better, IMHO. Better path and longer expected lifetime. I had few problems with indoor crimps, and none after moving to compression. And I've wired multiple rooms from scratch in three homes I've lived in, plus added runs in others homes.

I now defer to professional installers.

 

[harshness]

But at the LNB and indoors does it really matter? I've been using hex crimp forever.

Given a choice between "can be as good" and consistently good, why bother with the potentially equivalent?

 

[sam_gordon]

Is there really a difference with the F connectors? If they're outside and exposed to the elements I can see the difference. But at the LNB and indoors does it really matter? I've been using hex crimp forever.

If I was getting new tools, I'd get compression. However, I don't see a problem with continuing to use crimp if that's what you have. I've had crimp connectors fail and I've had compression fittings fail.

 

[harshness]

However, I don't see a problem with continuing to use crimp if that's what you have.

If you're going to do indoor and outdoor connections (as all who work with satellite must eventually do), you might as well make the switch to swage (compression) connectors.

Any technician (install or repair) that encounters crimp connectors in the line is required to cut them off and replace them with swage connectors.

 

[sam_gordon]

If you're going to do indoor and outdoor connections (as all who work with satellite must eventually do), you might as well make the switch to swage (compression) connectors.

Any technician (install or repair) that encounters crimp connectors in the line is required to cut them off and replace them with swage connectors.

If you're planning on doing hundreds of connections, sure. If you need to repair a half dozen at your house (if that many), use what you have.

 

[Claude Greiner]

The only issue I have with Hex crimps is that they tend to come off the cable easily.

If your going to use the old hex connectors, get a radial crimper. This way you get a nice even crimp around the entire fitting.

 

[Claude Greiner]

But then again unless you got the radial crimp tool like me, it's just as much to go buy a quality compression connector.

 

[sam_gordon]

The only issue I have with Hex crimps is that they tend to come off the cable easily.

Then you have the wrong connector for the cable you have. I've been terminating broadcast fittings for 20 years, HD (FULL HD, not compressed) for 8 years, and it's only within the last 3 years we've gone to compression. The compression are easier to terminate (one piece instead of three).

 

[goaliebob99]

Dont forget to wire for Dolby Atmos. I would do a 7.1.4 system. Left, Right, Center, Surround Right and Surround Left, Rear surround Right and Rear surround Left. Front Overhead Right and Left, Rear overhead Left and Right. Now would be the time to future proof the home for immersive surround sound.

 

[Claude Greiner]

I'm talking about regular Rg6 crimp ends.

 

[sam_gordon]

I'm talking about regular Rg6 crimp ends.

If you have problems with the ends falling off, you either have the wrong connector for the cable or a bad connector. I've probably put thousands of RG6 crimp ends on. The only time they fall off is if it wasn't made for the cable. The RG6 plenum cable I have won't work with our RG6 ends. We need special connectors for the plenum, even though they're both RG6.

 

[navychop]

Dont forget to wire for Dolby Atmos. I would do a 7.1.4 system. Left, Right, Center, Surround Right and Surround Left, Rear surround Right and Rear surround Left. Front Overhead Right and Left, Rear overhead Left and Right. Now would be the time to future proof the home for immersive surround sound.

Nice. Especially if there's ever any content for the home to use it. Heck, 5.1 is not common and 7.1 is rare. You think this "new" format will sprout wings? Why?

BTW my rear speakers are mounted high. Placing them low means your chairs will block much of the sound.

Do they even make aftermarket seat shakers anymore? Or did they join Smell O Vision?

 

[goaliebob99]

Nice. Especially if there's ever any content for the home to use it. Heck, 5.1 is not common and 7.1 is rare. You think this "new" format will sprout wings? Why?

BTW my rear speakers are mounted high. Placing them low means your chairs will block much of the sound.

Do they even make aftermarket seat shakers anymore? Or did they join Smell O Vision?

Tons of content already. I have over 20 movies in atmos alone. Yes I do belive this will sprout. Why? It's included in the ATSC 3.0 Standard. DirecTV already gives you 7.1 surround with 4K and has plans for Atmos surround embedded into 4k movies in the future. The content is there. On top of that Atmos sounds amazing. There is an atmos demo of a bee flying around the screen, but the sound is so realistic that it literally sounds like the bee is next to you ear. The entire room is filled with sound from all directions, and the emersion is phenomenal! Anyone who is considering the upgrade, dont think twice. Go for it. I love my Atmos system that much!

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/experience/dolby-atmos/bluray-and-streaming.html

Here is the Atmos speaker placement guide. It's better to have preplaced speakers in the ceiling than the upfiring ones. No special speakers are needed if you have ones installed in the ceiling. http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dolby-atmos-speaker-setup/7-1-4-setups.html

 

[stardust3]

Speaking of crimp connectors anyone ever notice what dish uses on seperators and triplexers that they provide...

 

[Spike]

I haven't been following this thread, but... I was in the same position a couple of times in terms of wiring a new home for Audio Video equipment use. The one thing that I learned was this... run PVC piping through the framing walls for easy access, so you can add new generation A/V wiring as it comes to market. When doing this, it allows you to quickly and easily fish tape in and out the newest in technology for wiring Audio Video Equipment. I went from composite cables, which I replaced with component cables, to which I added an ethernet cable, and then I replaced the component cables with HDMI cables etc. And never once did I have to redo a wall or run wires out in the room fully exposed to be seen Also, I had to add different wiring to speaker placements as that evolved as well. Placing the plastic piping in the early framing stages of new home construction, is in my opinion a must have in this age of constantly evolving technology for a modern A/V equipped home.

EDIT: I also had the PVC Pipes running from one floor up to the next too.... the whole house was ready for all kinds of necessary wire runs

 

[harshness]

If you're planning on doing hundreds of connections, sure. If you need to repair a half dozen at your house (if that many), use what you have.

Repairs are a different story. You're better off not terminating the cables at all if you're going to prewire with crimp connectors.

 

[harshness]

When doing this, it allows you to quickly and easily fish tape in and out the newest in technology for wiring Audio Video Equipment.

If you're needing to use a fish tape, you probably didn't plan far enough ahead.

 

[sam_gordon]

Repairs are a different story. You're better off not terminating the cables at all if you're going to prewire with crimp connectors.

I can point to THOUSANDS of crimp connectors that are carrying HD baseband video.

Would I prefer to use compression? Sure. But to make it sound like crimps are a waste of time is nothing but hyperbole.

 

[harshness]

But to make it sound like crimps are a waste of time is nothing but hyperbole.

In the context of this thread (prewire for satellite), crimps are a negative as the ones involved in the satellite circuit will all have to be redone throughout to pass muster. If you don't think it is necessary, that's your prerogative but understand that it flies in the face of long-established policy for both DISH and DIRECTV.

 

[navychop]

Speaking of crimp connectors anyone ever notice what dish uses on seperators and triplexers that they provide...