That is TiVo's wording too.... Where is the official news from the USPTO ? I'm looking. Everything I'm finding is simply linking back to TiVo's press release.
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Patent Office upholds Tivo's "time warp" patent, EchoStar not so happy
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If I'm not mistaken, most people here are talking about the "dismissed hardware claims" not from any statement issued by the PTO, but because Echostar issued the press release detailing that the review they forced caused the PTO to dismiss the hardware claims.
Did anyone ever see official wording from the PTO regarding the rejection of the hardware claims in the Time Warp patent?
Did anyone ever see official wording from the PTO regarding the rejection of the hardware claims in the Time Warp patent?
As I am not a party to the PTO review, I was not sent a copy of the findings and the year 2007 is not yet available via their web site (uspto.gov). You can well bet that if there was anything to dispute, chuckie would have done so, other than the LAME press release issued by E* in regards to the findings.
Maybe you can stop past the USPTO office in DC and grab a copy of the ruling and post it for all of us to read. I feel certain that both TiVo and E* have a copy of it as well, if they are more convenient for you to pick one up at. Maybe E* will email one, if you ask nicely.
Like I said, Mike, no one ever saw the official ruling rejecting the hardware claims. Echostar issues a press release about it, and it is taken as gospel. Even TiVo issued a press release about those rejected claims. And everyone here believes the hardware claims were rejected, without seeing a copy of the ruling.
Now the reverse has happened, with both TiVo and Echostar issuing releases about the affirmation of all claims in the Time Warp patent. This time, no one wants to believe it.
Now the reverse has happened, with both TiVo and Echostar issuing releases about the affirmation of all claims in the Time Warp patent. This time, no one wants to believe it.
Wait, have you seen the ruling ? You're the one saying that the hardware is back in play all based on TiVo's wording in a press release. TiVo and Dish will both word press releases in their favor.
That is correct, I am saying the "Time Warp" patent has been fully validated by the PTO, based off of the two press releases from the ligitating parties.
The question now is why does anyone believe the hardware claims were EVER thrown out? I'm sure no one actually looked at the PTO's decision.
No one has been questioning the rejection notice, even though no one has ever seen it.
And Echostar's press release doesn't mention that all claims were back in play, although they said it was a moot point, and hope that the Court of Appeals will find that Echostar did not infringe upon the TiVo patent. Echostar's press release wasn't spun very well.
The question now is why does anyone believe the hardware claims were EVER thrown out? I'm sure no one actually looked at the PTO's decision.
No one has been questioning the rejection notice, even though no one has ever seen it.
And Echostar's press release doesn't mention that all claims were back in play, although they said it was a moot point, and hope that the Court of Appeals will find that Echostar did not infringe upon the TiVo patent. Echostar's press release wasn't spun very well.
The apologists are really hard to believe, thats for sure.
Whether they like it or not, IF E* is not in process of settling this whole matter, TiVo would be foolish not to go to the appeals court and based on the PTO ruling not get the temporary order removed. Yes, they are accruing penalties for infringement on a daily basis, but until they actually force E* to turn off their DVRs (or face the DOJ's wrath for ignoring a court order), they will just be dragging this whole thing out (or allowing E* to drag it out.) I seriously look for E* to pay off TiVo soon and license the patents, to take any other course seems irresponsible and depending on the $ amounts, could be interesting in a proxy fight at the next E* shareholder's meetings. (Stranger things have happened!)
I would hope that the new Echostar holding company would buy Tivo and end this bullsh*t lawsuit. Either way I guess DISH won't have to pay, it will be the new Echostar holding company that will take the hit if the settlement isn't reached or the appeal award goes to Echostar, since they have decided to split the company into two halves.
The apologists are really hard to believe, thats for sure.
The capitalism apologists are really hard to believe, that's for sure
Whether they like it or not, patents have become a tool to stifle innovation rather than stimulate it. The fact that people continue to develop free software of high quality (i.e. Linux and everything that runs on it) proves that people who want a better world will work to achieve it without thought of reward, so the public would be foolish not to demand that the concept of intellectual property take its rightful place on the garbage dump of history along with other state-enforced religious beliefs.
The capitalism apologists are really hard to believe, that's for sure
AMEN
On the face of this statement, I disagree. Yes, there is some truth in the statement, as there are patent trolls lurking all around.Jim S. said:
However, in this case, TiVo came up with the idea and filed for their patent in 1998, before the first DVR ever came out.
I recall reading somewhere that Steve Ballmer of Microsoft says that the open source community has violated many Microsoft patents. I suspect that sometime in the future, we will see this war played out in the courts.Jim S. said:
Communist!Jim S. said:The capitalism apologists are really hard to believe, that's for sure
I recall reading somewhere that Steve Ballmer of Microsoft says that the open source community has violated many Microsoft patents. I suspect that sometime in the future, we will see this war played out in the courts.Communist!
Yep, MS had everything first...
But once again, they didn't patent the ability to watch one program while recoridng another.Tyralak said:
Greg Bimson said:
Try this linkiwc5983 said:Yep, MS had everything first...
I'm not agreeing with it, just reporting it.
The capitalism apologists are really hard to believe, that's for sure
Thanks for the great laugh, chuckie!You are now nominated for the "most ridiculous argument of the year award."
If you ever bother to check out ANY facts whatsoever, you may notice that Linux is a copyrighted material and has reserved rights as well. Same for most of the decent apps that run on that base product.
The capitalism apologists are really hard to believe, that's for sure
Irony at its finest? lol
Care to cite any patent numbers on that claim, or just another baseless statement?
According to this page, First Glimpse Article - Anthony Wood’s Lucky Number, ReplayTV "...beat TiVo to the market by a few weeks to become the first DVR (digital video recorder)".
ReplayTV also has approx (58) patents filed though only maybe (15) were before 2000.
ReplayTV also has approx (58) patents filed though only maybe (15) were before 2000.
And from what I've read, the way ReplayTV handled the process to timeshift was completely different than TiVo's implementation. It was different enough that supposedly ReplayTV did not infringe on the TiVo Time Warp patent.
