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Patent Office upholds Tivo's "time warp" patent, EchoStar not so happy
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Go ahead and sign up thru dishstore Dishnetwork's DVR are going to be around as long as they are.
And what would be his basis for going after these companies? IIRC, these other companies have binding agreements/already settled with TiVO and have licensed this technology. Just because Charlie buys TiVo doesn't mean these agreements would go away.
As far as buying TiVo goes, there are a lot of things affecting this, not the least of which is the rumored AT&T purchase of Echostar. I don't forsee Dish losing it's DVR's, but I do think the cost to keep them just went up - assuming the Appeals Court turns down Dish's appeal.
Heh, Tivo has a Poison Pill. Each share splits into like 3 shares if anyone acquires more than 10% or something like that...except the person who acquired the 10 percent.
Me, I Just keep buy farthest out month calls whenever Tivo goes down below $6.
Someday they will pay big, until then, they always pay off, and I'm not stuck holding a ton of shares.
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The thing that truly pisses me off about all of this is that had D* or E* hadn't been such cheapass bast**ds and decided to pony up and by TIVO. Then either company could have had a truly great product in their arsenal. It just sucks.....
I just saw a ad while watching the Tennis Channel on Dish. Talking about the Dish dvr and how it is better than TIVO. Shows where it was stated from CNET but I could not make out the year. Dish. Have you learned your lesson yet??
Well, obviously Tivo didn't. Pot. Kettle. Black. ReplayTV had all these technologies BEFORE Tivo. Tivo infringed on THEIR patents, and has the balls to accuse Dish of doing the same thing.
Check your facts and then get back with me on that.
And you know this because? On the board of directors or privvy to inside information, are we?
Where are you getting information re: licensing. There is NO LAW that says you have to license anyone at ANY PRICE to use your technology.
Exactly! I can guarantee you that when I worked at Bell Labs we patented lots of things that were NEVER made, even as a prototype.
IF TiVo had infringed on anyone's technology and they had been able to prove it as TiVo has proven E* has done with theirs, they would have sued long ago. All these claims of prior inventions ought to cite patent numbers, they are NOT a secret.
Notwithstanding the rantings of all the E* apologists, that is exactly what the court found and the patent office upheld.
The date of release of the 7100 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the date that TiVo was granted the patent.
I can file a patent on an invention and never produce a product and that does NOT give you the right to infringe on it without my approval. That is the whole idea of patents, to protect intellectual property and inventions and encourage those who want to use to invent or license technology.
Correct, Don, and during that time, we were always looking at "derivative technologies" to patent or not patent as well, extending those patents out for a LONG time.
Thanks for your comments as well!
Thanks for offering to share "insider information" from the executive meetings with us.
Saying "distant didn't do so well" is like the proverbial "t$$$ in a punchbowl" didn't get the guest at the dinner party too thrilled.
If the solution this time is no better than that, hope your resume is in order.BTW, if it had been so quick and easy to implement, my engineering and executive experience tells me that it would have been implemented long ago, as the court is levying increased costs to E* daily as long as this drags on.
It has amazed me that chuckie hasn't tried to buy TiVo long ago. With every court decision he loses, the price goes up on what he will pay for them.
As far as going after competitors. don'y hold your breath, unless you look awesome in blue. D* and others have licensed the technology and have working agreements in place and have for years. There are HONEST companies out there, all are not run by crooks.
Looks to me like you should go ahead and sign up as these two, among others, are willing to take care of you in case you lose your DVR capabilities from dish.
Send them a copy of programs you want and they can transcribe the plots of the shows you want and email them to you? 
Seriously, nobody can assure you with absolute certainty what will happen tomorrow. TiVo could go into court with the results of the patent office's findings in hand and get the restraining order removed and have E*'s DVRs ordered by the court to be terminated IMMEDIATELY (wanna see chuckie ignore that one, if it comes down!
) or it could drag on for years and years. One thing I can assure you is that with either E* or D*, the service is much better and the DVRs are leagues ahead of what you are getting from comcr*p (I have used all 3 at home and speak from experience, those 64xx's are a bad joke.)
I agree. While i dont doubt there is or could be a fix, if it were so easy to implement it would have been done long ago.
I came up with this question at another site:
What makes everyone think that simply having Echostar's engineers change the software, all would be fine? As I recall, TiVo's Time Warp patent is both software and hardware, and the jury in the infringement case found Echostar guilty of infringing on the hardware claims of the Time Warp patent.
I don't think there is a way for Echostar's engineers to send software down the signal stream to update each DVR's hardware configuration.
What makes everyone think that simply having Echostar's engineers change the software, all would be fine? As I recall, TiVo's Time Warp patent is both software and hardware, and the jury in the infringement case found Echostar guilty of infringing on the hardware claims of the Time Warp patent.
I don't think there is a way for Echostar's engineers to send software down the signal stream to update each DVR's hardware configuration.
which would lead me to believe that the blackberry fi
im not too familiar with what was wrong) wasnt as easy as it may have seemed also
