the expense depends on what you get and what you have
my bill will be $15 month higher but im adding a receiver and mrv, those too are half that
if you have multiple duorecievers @ $17 each, you may save money
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the expense depends on what you get and what you have
my bill will be $15 month higher but im adding a receiver and mrv, those too are half that
if you have multiple duorecievers @ $17 each, you may save money
First, package pricing precludes them charging different prices if you have 1, 2, or in my case, 3 RSNs. Second, while Dish might only pay $1-$2 wholesale for each, we pay retail. And let's not forget the overhead of the additional share of uplink and satellite capacity that is used to bring you those RSNs.
There is no evidence to show that the issue is full time RSNs, which is the only think I recall you complaining about.
No. They never owned the whole company or even the majority of stock. They did hold a controlling interest though and they swapped that for Liberty's stake in NewsCorp.
The whole Echostar then NewsCorp saga got a lot of attention. the fact that Murdoch then sold it off some time later somehow got less coverage.
BTW Liberty does not own a majority interest either. Their stake is in the high 30s and they own the right to manage it----just as Newscorp did.
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Maybe they should have listened! Because if they did the situation would be different, and dish wouldn't have lost the thousands of customers they did this week.
No evidence? Sure there is, the channels have been yanked! Anyhow, do you have insider information that would prove that the holdup is something other than channel locations, Pricing, and if its 24/7 or not is holding the deal up? I'm sure you know everything thats going on with the deal and your willing to spill the details here... So for surly you must have that smoking gun to prove what im saying wrong
You dont have any evidence other than speculation, so you dont know what the cause could be on the hold up. It's most likely multiple things. I know if I was fox and I signed programming to be on in HD other than game time, I would want my customers to see this programming in HD to include the Dan Patrick show. Not showing it would be a waste of an investment in HD and I would want a return in that investment.
While that is true, trying to rally people around your cause without presenting facts doesn't make you look good.
No evidence? Sure there is, the channels have been yanked! Anyhow, do you have insider information that would prove that the holdup is something other than channel locations, Pricing, and if its 24/7 or not is holding the deal up? I'm sure you know everything thats going on with the deal and your willing to spill the details here... So for surly you must have that smoking gun to prove what im saying wrong
You dont have any evidence other than speculation, so you dont know what the cause could be on the hold up. It's most likely multiple things. I know if I was fox and I signed programming to be on in HD other than game time, I would want my customers to see this programming in HD to include the Dan Patrick show. Not showing it would be a waste of an investment in HD and I would want a return in that investment.
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Just because there is no evidence to show that the dispute is not over 24/7 RSNs does not mean that is what the dispute is over.
The evidence is it is over cost (with Dish talking about 50% increases) and channel placement (independently reported, and strongly hinted at by Charlie's comments on customer choice). Granted, the dispute may involve full time RSNs. But there is no evidence, and evidence to show that there are larger issues at stake.
You are sounding worse than Haller. Get off the Dish forum, you are not a Dish customer, which makes you a troll.
IMO, these disputes over pricing is not helping anyone. Neither the satellite/cable companies or the networks.
Like most of you out there, I picked Dish over Direct because it met my needs. My family is into "family viewing" more then sports. I'm an old Chicago boy, so I wanted WGN, which Direct doesn't carry. I also felt that Dish had the equipment options I wanted. Finally, Dish fit into my budget for the package I wanted.
Now, after 16 months of service, my monthly bill went up twice. Not by much, but still an increase. Also, I lost 4 Disney HD channels and now FX HD. Now at first this doesn't seem all that big of a deal. Really I'm only upset by the lost of FX, due to their original programming.
My concern is where will it stop? What road is this taking us down? Will Charlie tell the networks to get lost, thus us subs losing HD channels every time contracts come up, or will our rates increase each time till we are force to make a choice between pay TV or OTA?
I don't think anyone really has an answer yet, but the sad part is, that these networks pushing for increase rates are making alot of people take a closer look at OTA. Knowing that you can get HD OTA, and thinking back to how we survived "many moons ago", watching TV without paying monthly fees, starting to look better & better.
Even in this thread there are many post saying how basically most people watch about 15-20 channels and the rest is all crap. So why are we putting up with & paying for the crap? How many times have you, yourself, sat down with the remote and after going through the guide for the 4th time, declare,"There's not S&#t on!"
Don't get me wrong, I love A/V stuff. It's always been my passion. It's fun and exciting, and there's no better feeling then opening a box that has a new piece of equipment in it! A receiver, a DVD player, a 500 mile super duper boost HD/VHF/UHF/AM/FM antenna...it's all great, but maybe it's time to reevaluate where we spend our money. If Fox, Disney, and others think they can just get what they want, maybe we need to show them that they can't.
Ghpr13
Like most of you out there, I picked Dish over Direct because it met my needs. My family is into "family viewing" more then sports. I'm an old Chicago boy, so I wanted WGN, which Direct doesn't carry. I also felt that Dish had the equipment options I wanted. Finally, Dish fit into my budget for the package I wanted.
Now, after 16 months of service, my monthly bill went up twice. Not by much, but still an increase. Also, I lost 4 Disney HD channels and now FX HD. Now at first this doesn't seem all that big of a deal. Really I'm only upset by the lost of FX, due to their original programming.
My concern is where will it stop? What road is this taking us down? Will Charlie tell the networks to get lost, thus us subs losing HD channels every time contracts come up, or will our rates increase each time till we are force to make a choice between pay TV or OTA?
I don't think anyone really has an answer yet, but the sad part is, that these networks pushing for increase rates are making alot of people take a closer look at OTA. Knowing that you can get HD OTA, and thinking back to how we survived "many moons ago", watching TV without paying monthly fees, starting to look better & better.
Even in this thread there are many post saying how basically most people watch about 15-20 channels and the rest is all crap. So why are we putting up with & paying for the crap? How many times have you, yourself, sat down with the remote and after going through the guide for the 4th time, declare,"There's not S&#t on!"
Don't get me wrong, I love A/V stuff. It's always been my passion. It's fun and exciting, and there's no better feeling then opening a box that has a new piece of equipment in it! A receiver, a DVD player, a 500 mile super duper boost HD/VHF/UHF/AM/FM antenna...it's all great, but maybe it's time to reevaluate where we spend our money. If Fox, Disney, and others think they can just get what they want, maybe we need to show them that they can't.
Ghpr13
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I don't get it....
I don't want sports, don't really care about DisneyHD (only when grandkids are over do I/they watch it) and really get get into a dither about NatGeo.
All I want is my SOA, Justified and channel 136.
What do I need to do????? Am I the only one out there who does not give a !@#$% about sports?:rant:
I don't get it....
I don't want sports, don't really care about DisneyHD (only when grandkids are over do I/they watch it) and really get get into a dither about NatGeo.
All I want is my SOA, Justified and channel 136.
What do I need to do????? Am I the only one out there who does not give a !@#$% about sports?:rant:
Matt,
The way it works is this... The OOM packages (Center Ice, NBA League Pass, etc.) is a rights fee paid directly to the League this allows Dish to resell the rights to all the games they have access to Out of Market subscribers. This precludes Dish is carrying the regional channels the games air on.
This means if you have a OOM package DISH will be unable to provide games from any RSN they are no longer carrying. If a another RSN is carrying the game then Dish would be able to carry that RSN's feed of the same game.
If I was a Center Ice or other OOM package subscriber, I'd be PISSED, BTW I did have Center ICE the last 2 seasons. NHL Center Ice is in free preview until October 23rd. Be aware the US version of Center Ice is unable to provide any games where both teams are Canadian, So a game in Toronto where they are hosting any other Canadian team will not be available on Center Ice.
John
No, Liberty had to divest itself of DirecTV. As of earlier this year, some combination of Liberty or Malone now only have a 3 percent voting interest. DirecTV is independent.Geronimo said:
I missed that one. What caused that? It must be fairly recent. I do see a few news stories about the planned spinoff of something called Liberty Entertainment that would hold DirecTV and some other assets but I doid not realize it had happened.
In any event it is clear that NewsCorp/Fox has no significant stake in DirecTV which is how we got here but it is still important to set the record straight.
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Then what's to keep Fox from doing to Direct and in turn to Cable and Uverse what it is doing to Dish now. If Dish gives in now all the people out there that are "glad" they have one of the other services will be in the same boat as Dish subs when their contracts expire.
You are also missing the other half of the fight. The providers all want their channels moved down in tiers. Essentially it would come down to AT250 for everyone going up $3-$5 a year, Dish/DIRECTV would only have 1 tier of programming available.
What exactly is Dish suppose to do everyone? Ever think that there may be a valid reason for what they are doing? I myself feel that they need to do this in order to keep prices reasonable. The people on here that say that a small price increase is not a big are morons. I don't care if it's nickel increase, subs will complain. As a retailer I hear complaints when customers bills go up dimes or nickels. People do not want increases, it just won't work. Why not just let Dish get this settled and see what happens.
If the channels get removed permanently or there is a price increase then I can justify all the constant bitching a little more.
If the channels get removed permanently or there is a price increase then I can justify all the constant bitching a little more.
Back in April or May. There's Liberty Cablevision Puerto Rico and there's DirecTV Puerto Rico. In order to satisfy an FCC requirement, something had to be divested, and the FCC ruled that placing DirecTV Puerto Rico in an independent trustee's hands indefinitely did not satisfy the order. DirecTV traded all of the Class B stock controlled by Liberty (the super voting shares) with Class A stock, and it reduced the voting from 24.3 percent to just around 3 percent, but gave Malone an extra $150 or so million in stock. It also took Malone, CEO Maffei and CFO Gould off of the DirecTV Board.Geronimo said:
If anyone remembers, Fox had to agree to arbitration for their broadcasting properties while they were controlling DirecTV. The FCC had to revisit that rule last year and struck it down. That is why Cablevision and Dish Network are upset; now that arbitration is gone, the only recourse is removal of channels.
Looks like that is correct
the news release DIRECTV, Inc. - DIRECTV to Eliminate High-Vote Stock Through Recapitalization Transaction
the news release DIRECTV, Inc. - DIRECTV to Eliminate High-Vote Stock Through Recapitalization Transaction
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