Ok, I still do NOT have those channels he said we were supposed to get for free. Is there something I need to do or whatever to get them? 
OFFICIAL DISH / FOX ORDEAL DISCUSSION THREAD
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Most of it is in HD anymore, although not Dolby. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in PQ from the provider feeds. The funny thing is there are so fewer commercials that the hour shows only run 42-43 minutes. They want more money for shows we already pay for and have to bear the extensive commercials, yet give it away free with limited commercials online.
I don't think people that never pirated the shows are suddenly going to start.
I brought up to the Dish CSR the fact that I'm still paying $7/mo for the Multi Sport package even though they halved their channels.
They're crediting me the $7/mo fee for Multi Sport; still on hold to see what kind of monthly credit I'm getting for not having FX and National Geographic. I don't really care about National Geographic, but three of my favorite shows are Sons, Sunny and The League.
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So you're fine with package prices being assured of going up at least $10 every 3 years? And that's just the programming provider side of things, doesn't even include any increase in distribution costs that Dish or any provider may want to pass on or even increased costs from the addition of new channels. Thanks but no thanks.
I didnt have the sports and they credited me 3 and change for fx and geo.
As for the sons, I can tell you that jax and the fbi/atf bitch made a deal.
They're essentially giving everyone the Multi Sport package for free until the RSNs come back, but if you already have the Multi Sport package, you have to call up and ask them to waive the fee?
If I never called up, I would still be paying $7/mo for half the channels.
If I never called up, I would still be paying $7/mo for half the channels.
You should probably spoiler that. I got Dish HD Free for Life w/ no contract extension; better than a credit because I was currently paying $10/mo for the HD fee.
That is certainly your option. For 'me', If my cost doubles in 20 years, but I'm guaranteed peace of mind from program channel dropping, so be it. I answered chuckster's post with real numbers from a real case to expose what D* & E* consider 'unreasonable'.
Just to remind us how reasonable or unreasonable a 5% a year is, lets go back to 1990. A new Ford Mustang Convertible cost $14,289, a 2010 $27,145 and up (almost double). Gas was $1.34, now $2.75 and annual income has also about doubled, even with the current recession. (Source)
Again, would I like for prices to remain the same for the next 20 years, of course. But I'm realistic and IMHO, for the HD I didn't have 20 years ago, the ESPN2, ESPNU, or Fox RSN not available 20 years ago, in short what I'm saying is that content has certainly more than doubled in the past 20 years, so from that perspective a doubling of price over 20 years is really a bargain... IMHO. Add the guarantee of no dropped channels and for me, it's a very good bargain.
Gee, thanks Bob for saying ZERO about any of the points made by Charlie.
Instead, you are giving a spin and characterizing other people's comments as all being one thing.
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Im sure that the majority are very negative. And dish had more than enough warning, hell I gave it to them myself. If they would have done what I said, 4 months ago, they wouldnt be in this situation! I even offered a helping hand. I got laughed at. I predicted if they stayed on the course that the titanic would begin to sink. Sure enough, 4 months later they have lost not only disney, but FX, Natgeo, and all of the Fox owned RSN's. It wasnt hard seeing this trainwreck coming, yet some on this board wont get credit due where its due and will still find a way to bitch about how the bob's still have it wrong when we were more than 1000 percent right all allong. :up
This isn't necessarily a defense, but to fill in some of the blanks: these channels also air the most expensive content out there.
The teams each have a broadcast crew that follows the team around so that each team has whatever video broadcast features they need. These production trucks have all needed to be replaced in the last couple years as teams have shifted to 100% HD broadcasts, so there has been a massive amount of spending on infrastructure taking place to bring the games in HD.
Charlie's video had a point that you used to be able to watch sports for free- but that's not true in the same scale as we have today. Every league out there has expanded, you have more live games taking place every night, the demand in quality is higher, and fans expect to be able to see every game their team plays, which is something that wasn't possible even as recently as a decade ago. The sports market has changed -- when Wayne Gretzky was playing for the Oilers he was making a record high $1 million a season to play. Now league minimum in the NHL for any player is $500k.
For a behind the scenes look at what it takes to produce a game, this video is kinda interesting: Inside the Rays: TV Time
Yes, the channels are expensive, but their operational costs (especially when you factor in expenses for broadcast rights) are ridiculous expensive as well.
My Possible Solution
Dish has been good to me over the years. I have a 722 and am not charged a monthly DVR fee due to grandfathering from an original 508/721. I have had a few problems that ultimately had to be solved by the Executive Resolution Team, seemingly the only people empowered to do the right thing at Dish.
What does this have to do with the Dish/Fox dispute? Well, it seems to me that for the last few months it has been Dish's aim to put one face forward to subscribers in terms of policy. Everybody gets the same deal. But now this dispute comes along and increasingly we’re back to the “wrangle what you can for yourself” wheeling and dealing that Dish itself shunned most of 2010.
I’ve lost a number of channels since June with no commensurate drop in monthly cost. I could do a chat and possibly get some recompense but hesitate to do so because of the monthly DVR fee break that I’m already getting (and fought hard to keep) and because I think it’s time to hold the line on ever increasing fees for content, some of which I don’t even watch (Disney HD, for instance). But, on the other hand, I absolutely hate the current corporate mentality that recognizes a problem that could be solved automatically to the customers benefit but doesn’t do so out of fear of leaving some money on the table and waits until when (and if) the customer complains in a particular manner to do the right thing and fix it.
Dish did compromise their argument about protecting customers in a tight economy by raising equipment fees so much this year.
I guess what I’m saying is that Dish needs to take the high road in this and at least throw a banana to the people who are suffering the loss of these channels and reduce their monthly bill according to how much each missing channel was costing them prior to being pulled. And this should be done automatically without any action by the subscriber, according to their programming package.
Dish has been good to me over the years. I have a 722 and am not charged a monthly DVR fee due to grandfathering from an original 508/721. I have had a few problems that ultimately had to be solved by the Executive Resolution Team, seemingly the only people empowered to do the right thing at Dish.
What does this have to do with the Dish/Fox dispute? Well, it seems to me that for the last few months it has been Dish's aim to put one face forward to subscribers in terms of policy. Everybody gets the same deal. But now this dispute comes along and increasingly we’re back to the “wrangle what you can for yourself” wheeling and dealing that Dish itself shunned most of 2010.
I’ve lost a number of channels since June with no commensurate drop in monthly cost. I could do a chat and possibly get some recompense but hesitate to do so because of the monthly DVR fee break that I’m already getting (and fought hard to keep) and because I think it’s time to hold the line on ever increasing fees for content, some of which I don’t even watch (Disney HD, for instance). But, on the other hand, I absolutely hate the current corporate mentality that recognizes a problem that could be solved automatically to the customers benefit but doesn’t do so out of fear of leaving some money on the table and waits until when (and if) the customer complains in a particular manner to do the right thing and fix it.
Dish did compromise their argument about protecting customers in a tight economy by raising equipment fees so much this year.
I guess what I’m saying is that Dish needs to take the high road in this and at least throw a banana to the people who are suffering the loss of these channels and reduce their monthly bill according to how much each missing channel was costing them prior to being pulled. And this should be done automatically without any action by the subscriber, according to their programming package.
I'm guessing they quit listening to you about the same time the rest of us did bob...about 5 months ago!
My solution to a compromise:
1) Add FX and FSN to the lowest tier
2) Eliminate 120+ tier for all customers immediately. Reduce price of that tier by $5 since they will now be identical packages.
3) Don't increase anyone's rates until February and increase the cost of FX and FSN only.
4) Add FCS to the Sports Pack (should be very low cost) - This should be a low hanging fruit for Dish to offer Fox
5) Leave National Geographic on its current tier.
1) Add FX and FSN to the lowest tier
2) Eliminate 120+ tier for all customers immediately. Reduce price of that tier by $5 since they will now be identical packages.
3) Don't increase anyone's rates until February and increase the cost of FX and FSN only.
4) Add FCS to the Sports Pack (should be very low cost) - This should be a low hanging fruit for Dish to offer Fox
5) Leave National Geographic on its current tier.
How is that a compromise? That sounds like "give Fox what they want." First, if Dish starts offering RSNs on AT120, they will have to offer ALL RSNs on AT120.
Also, AT120 keeps Dish cheaper to a lot of people who could not care less about sports. If they drop that, then they have lost a major competitive advantage.
UPDATE:
Now I see WJW has been added to the Fox propaganda site.
Researching the matter, I see Oak Hill Capital Partners purchased WJW (as well as a number of other former Fox O&O stations) in mid-2008. My guess would be that they are still covered by the Fox deal, and it expires at the same time. But I still think it is disingenuous for Fox to bring in potential disputes involving it's non-owned affiliates into the fray.
One question. Why does 120+ cost $5 more than 120? Most people get 1 additional RSN (not even in HD). I am pretty sure that Dish does not pay FSN, Comcast MSG, etc. $5 for the individual RSN. I can understand Fox being upset about that.
(I know that a lot of regions have more than 1, but you are charging EVERYONE $5)
So does anyone know for sure if this will effect NBA League Pass or not? I've heard different answers. I was thinking about switching to Directv since I've heard their version of League Pass is lots more HD but they are quite a bit more expensive.
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