Five tuners is perfect. Direct nailed this. I would need 2 Hoppers to handle my needs. One Direct box could do it.
Not happy with the Dish Hopper DVR
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I hope you scenario is exactly what Joe had on mind when he said the Hopper/Joey would be "aggressively priced." I agree. If Dish went back to the old fee structure with the Hoppers, it would catch on and contribute greatly to growth. I have to believe that Joe feels the Hopper is what has to be in almost everyone's home because of almost everyone have at least 2 HDTV's, some more, and it could be a great opportunity to to make money on the subscriptions NOT the fees propping up "profits" while losing subscribers. That and a very high quality integration of Blockbuster could be what not only keeps Dish alive and growing, but thriving.
Glad to see someone else out there agrees with my growth strategy and revenue enhancement . It just makes sense for long range growth for DISH to do something that attracts more subs and retains current ones . The more subs , the more revenue . The more revenue the better your stock prices . DISH had become so well known for their numerous made up , charge it because we can DISH FEES, that they had to roll them into one gigantic additional receiver fees that range from $7.00 for the lowest class of receiver, to $17.00 for the best class of receivers. DISH despite all their continued sub losses just about every quarter for the last few years, continues to make ever rising profits. That could only be accomplished by all those ridiculous fees. Customers HATE hidden fees ,even if they are hidden in the big additional receiver fees. I hope that Joe Clayton will make this the time that DISH turns away from the FEE ridden structure propping up their stock prices and tries to really attract new subs by pricing the DISH HOPPER/JOEY system more affordable, then present VIP series of Dvrs and Additional Receiver fees.
I have to disagree here. The Hopper doesn't need a privacy setting. The whole point of this setup is to be able to access everything on the DVR from everywhere in your house. If you want separate stuff in different rooms then the Hopper is not for you. The current line of receivers do this quite nicely.
I think that is short sighted. First because I can see at some point the Hopper - or incarnations of it will be the norm, receivers of today won't be anymore by Dish. Second, just because the hopper works for a family does not mean at some point the parents want to watch something they do not want the kids to be able to see. Of course it has to have some type of privacy feature. Perhaps it does, if it doesn't that will most definitely need to be added.
I'm in agreement. I think at some point in time, the Hopper will be the standard box that is installed and add more Joeys or and additional Hopper for those needing more. Simplifies the sales and service quite a bit and with only 2 models of boxes, reduces the cost per unit as the volume ramps up.
Just like HD becoming the standard, so should the DVR. Dish could simply activate the DVR function in the box for those that want it if they want to continue with the additional fee and to standardize their boxes. They may have more in the receiver but less in support and less in hardware in the long-run when they already have a setup supporting the additional tv's.
agreed
While some people are giddy about "oh I can record all 4 nets from 7-10 by using one tuner...woo hoo" for a fair amount of people they really don't care. I'm one who doesn't need the option. My dad is one who this might work since he does record some local stuff. But I could just see the call Dish will get from people not tech savvy who use the option then dont watch the show for a while and its deleted (they wont understand how to move it to a "safe" zone. There are people who have a DVR and have major issues on using it. My dad being one of them. He has had his DVR for over a year now and a couple weeks ago he just learned how to use the "RESUME" option. He always found the title to watch and hit play. I finally showed him how to start a program after you're already in it.
You can also hookup their AM21 Dual Over The Air Tuners Module to the HR34, then you have 7 tuners,but I have heard your maximum tuners to record at once is still 5?.:rant::doh:
Dish probably should have started with both a 3 tuner and 6 tuner version. I would speculate that 3 tuners would probably cover somewhere around 70% (or probably more with the Prime time function) of their customer's needs. There is just a lot of customers that would want more, for them they could just charge $100 more up front to cover the cost of 6 tuners. I hope that they decide to release such a beast someday.
If the fees for one receiver for six tuners is the same as two with three tuners then we might as well have two Hoppers.
The AM21 has NEVER added any tuners to the DVR. So if you add a AM21 to a HR21-24 or R22 you still have two tuners
If you add it to a HR34 you still have five tuners. Its now you have 7 but can only use 5. You have 5 tuners period.
Two 3 tuner Hoppers would be way better then 1 six tuner Hopper. While one is locked-up or rebooting, you can just switch to the other one!
Let's see, I'm a kid, and I see on the tuners list "private" or "unavailable" or some such- everyone not dumber than a stump will have a pretty good idea what dad is watching.
My thinking is that it will be exactly like the current receiver parental locks and the channels will simply be locked out and/or show as locked events in the list of recordings.
That's not the problem. It's while the program is being watched, any other receiver can see it.
So? A kid sees a locked out channel now or event what does he/she think?
I have no doubt whatsoever if there is no way to prevent another receiver from watching what you are there will be problem and people especially with kids will not want the system. And it doesn't have to be a sex show. Many parents might lock out violence, but on the bedroom TV it isn't. Or at least if it is, it gets unlocked to watch. With this system any other receiver sees that.
Yeah, but if the program being watched follows the lock rules set up (by channel, or by rating, etc.), I don't see why it can't ask for the lock password to be able to view that stream, or that the stream shows up as "locked event" when looking at the list of active tuners.
