They functioned with an odd number of teams before. I am not predicting that but anything is possible.
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They functioned with an odd number of teams before. I am not predicting that but anything is possible.
I can see Buffalo and Seattle huffing and puffing, but that won't amount to anything. Especially if the new teams were in the opposite conference. Washington and Baltimore do just fine being near each other. As do the Giants and Jets being in the same city and stadium.
It doesn't matter whether the CFL is there or not. In Hockey, cities like Toronto have NHL and AHL franchises. The CFL wouldn't like it, but businesses and fans would. That trumps anything else. The fans would pay to watch a NFL franchise. I disagree with you completely. Toronto is the NYC of Canada. They could support it. It would be the days of the old AFL vs. NFL, the old WHA vs. NHL, or the old ABA vs. NBA. Since it has happened in the past and many of those teams thrive today, despite being absorbed by the competing league, that statement of fans not willing to watch is unmerited and just doesn't make sense.
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The only reason the NFL was big in Toronto was because the team was buffalo, fans from buffalo cross the border to watch them. Don't compare football to hockey in Canada, hockey is king there, they live for hockey, not football.
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Toronto does excellent with every major American sport. So if fans in Toronto will go to Buffalo for a game, they more than likely will support a team of their own. I can compare any sports, when speaking of Toronto. Hockey in small town Canada beats football, but in Toronto, it's a much different story. Toronto supports franchises for the NBA and MLB. So again, Toronto is a different ball and wax from the rest of Canada. It's like judging NYC based on small town USA.
And not to be rude, even though I'll come off that way, but you remind me of my cousin. He is avid at sports, follows football, baseball, and hockey. His major flaw is he thinks that since he has all this knowledge his opinions should be taken a fact. You and I disagree. You are looking from a geographic point of view. I'm looking from an economic point of view. We both are arguing of culture, but I truly believe that what I say of culture is factual. Considering I have family in Niagara Falls, Ontario, who follow American sports just as much as Canadian Sports. Niagara Falls is Toronto territory. It might be right on the boarder, but the entire region shares the Toronto sports sentiment.
And not to be rude, even though I'll come off that way, but you remind me of my cousin. He is avid at sports, follows football, baseball, and hockey. His major flaw is he thinks that since he has all this knowledge his opinions should be taken a fact. You and I disagree. You are looking from a geographic point of view. I'm looking from an economic point of view. We both are arguing of culture, but I truly believe that what I say of culture is factual. Considering I have family in Niagara Falls, Ontario, who follow American sports just as much as Canadian Sports. Niagara Falls is Toronto territory. It might be right on the boarder, but the entire region shares the Toronto sports sentiment.
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If it would work so well then why isn't there a team in that country? There is baseball and basketball teams but not football.
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That's your great response? My guess is as good as yours. Obviously because the CFL was founded in the late fifties, the NFL just hasn't expanded there. That doesn't make it a sound argument for it not working. A decade ago, if you told me the NBA would be more successful in Oklahoma City over Seattle, I would have said you had your head up your ass. But, I would have been wrong. Back in the sixties and seventies if people told me that the AFL and ABA would challenge their competition to the point where even the football championship game was deemphasized to make room for a game that would incorporate the new league, and that basketball's time honored established league would incorporate rules from the new league, ultimately changing the future of how the game was played, I would have asked what they were smoking. Again, I would have been wrong. So, just because something hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean it can't work. I'll repeat myself again for the reading audience. I believe that an NFL franchise in Toronto would work, provided it was a NFC franchise, considering the relative location to the Buffalo Bills of the AFC. In my opinion it doesn't matter that the CFL is there. With different schedules, different rules for each league, and a different atmosphere. Two teams could coexist. Just as the New York Titans/Jets of the AFL coexisted with the New York Giants of the NFL. Just as the New York Nets of the ABA coexisted with the New York Knicks of the NBA. And, just as the Toronto Marlies of the AHL currently coexist with the Toronto Maple Leafs of the NHL (yes, I do understand that the Maple Leafs own the Marlies). One more that would address the relative location to Buffalo. Just as the Washington Redskins, who have been in the beltway since 1937, coexist with the Baltimore Ravens who abandoned Cleveland and the Browns legacy to come to same region in 1996, basically 60 years later.
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2 teams in LAthey can share the stadium like Jets/giants.
Even though I'm not thinking that, it can easily be done. Considering the Lakers and Clippers and Kings share the Staples center, two teams could share a football stadium.
That just hurt my eyes, everything is all bunched together. Learn to separate the long post.
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OK so you are out of points for your side of the debate. Learn to give up when you run out of new points for the discussion. Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Your last two posts have gone from an interesting intelligent debate to me stating my opinion and you just saying whatever to continue to engage me in an argument, not debate. Go ahead and get in the last word, unless you have something new to add.
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If your post was like this where I could read it I would of replied. If you want to be taken seriously take the time to prove your point.
My whole point isn't that teams can be close to each other and prosper, you have to make sure the fans will support it.
Maybe fans of Toronto will pay to see them but will the NFL take that chance with the CFL already there? I don't think they will, one or two games a year? Yeah but not a whole season. Your opinion, my opinion or anyone else on this boards opinion doesn't matter, so it's a moot point.
The only reason there is Basketball in OKC instead of Seattle is because no one would build a new arena in Seattle.
Again, I don't mean to sound rude, but I'm going to unfortunately. Because you struggle to read a large paragraph, doesn't make me have to change my writing style. Changing my large paragraphs doesn't make my content any different. If you struggle to read a large post, then simply don't engage yourself in a conversation with someone who choose to write in such a manner. Next time, respectfully ask me to break it up. I don't need to write in a manner because you mandate it to put in the effort to continue our conversation.
First of all, you're welcome for the break. Now, I have used historical events that I feel prove my stance on the topic. You however have only made one point and not tried to back it up. I said it can work, then I provided examples. You chose to be the mule from Family Guy; "No, Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose". Just by saying it's not the case now, so it doesn't work, isn't providing any evidence to support your side of the debate. Changing the subject to blame me for your inability or undesired will to take the time to read my post, only proves that you want to fight, not have an intelligent debate.
Again, you're welcome for the break. I find it funny that out of all the content that I brought to add as evidence to my side of the debate, you chose Seattle moving to OKC to make an argument against. Whether the reason for doing so, it was done. So, whose to say the status quo in our debate can't change considering the status quo did in that situation. You have not addressed my statement of different leagued teams existing in the same city. Which I find interesting.
Finally, opinions are the purpose for a forum such as this. I can see you coming from a mile away. You disagreed with what I said, so you feel that you can say I'm wrong and with your condescending tone because you feel you are all knowing. What you actually are is who I once was. Someone, who feels they were right so is unwilling to even entertain a different point of view. You are exactly an example of what is wrong with the generation of today. Refuse to provide evidence to your point and disrespectful to anyone who questions or openly disagrees with your point of view. In today's society opinions are everything other than moot. They make every single decision in our world, for religion to politics to culture to even sports. So go on, but I can see we will never agree as you don't provide anything other than backhanded remarks to make yourself and your ego feel better.
First of all, you're welcome for the break. Now, I have used historical events that I feel prove my stance on the topic. You however have only made one point and not tried to back it up. I said it can work, then I provided examples. You chose to be the mule from Family Guy; "No, Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose". Just by saying it's not the case now, so it doesn't work, isn't providing any evidence to support your side of the debate. Changing the subject to blame me for your inability or undesired will to take the time to read my post, only proves that you want to fight, not have an intelligent debate.
Again, you're welcome for the break. I find it funny that out of all the content that I brought to add as evidence to my side of the debate, you chose Seattle moving to OKC to make an argument against. Whether the reason for doing so, it was done. So, whose to say the status quo in our debate can't change considering the status quo did in that situation. You have not addressed my statement of different leagued teams existing in the same city. Which I find interesting.
Finally, opinions are the purpose for a forum such as this. I can see you coming from a mile away. You disagreed with what I said, so you feel that you can say I'm wrong and with your condescending tone because you feel you are all knowing. What you actually are is who I once was. Someone, who feels they were right so is unwilling to even entertain a different point of view. You are exactly an example of what is wrong with the generation of today. Refuse to provide evidence to your point and disrespectful to anyone who questions or openly disagrees with your point of view. In today's society opinions are everything other than moot. They make every single decision in our world, for religion to politics to culture to even sports. So go on, but I can see we will never agree as you don't provide anything other than backhanded remarks to make yourself and your ego feel better.
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I'm done, you just don't understand that if you want people to read your posts you should make readable. Goodbye
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Goodbye to you too sir. It was an interesting debate while it lasted. Sorry that you struggled to read my post this morning, as I struggled to grasp why you went down different avenues instead of staying on topic. Considering I'm not the only one who writes in that style and do engage in interesting conversations with other members here at Satellite Guys.
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Canada itself probably will block the NFL from expanding there. The CFL will use all it's parlimentary muscle to block an NFL franchise in Toronto, in order to protect the current CFL franchise there. There are very protectionist towards Canadian culture, and have an exemption in NAFTA to protect it.
As for the NHL & AHL both having teams there, very different scenarios, as the AHL isn't considered the major leagues like the NHL (That example is closer to how the Atlanta Braves have their AAA team in the Atlanta suburbs). A better example would be how there is no second NHL team in Southern Ontario, even though several groups have longed tried to get one in the Hamilton area.
The CFL knows it can't compete with the NFL in the same city, that's why Baltimore moved to Quebec when the Browns moved there, even the the franchise had been successful to that point. Don't think the CFL won't use all the power it has to block an NFL franchise from moving to Toronto.
As for the NHL & AHL both having teams there, very different scenarios, as the AHL isn't considered the major leagues like the NHL (That example is closer to how the Atlanta Braves have their AAA team in the Atlanta suburbs). A better example would be how there is no second NHL team in Southern Ontario, even though several groups have longed tried to get one in the Hamilton area.
The CFL knows it can't compete with the NFL in the same city, that's why Baltimore moved to Quebec when the Browns moved there, even the the franchise had been successful to that point. Don't think the CFL won't use all the power it has to block an NFL franchise from moving to Toronto.
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Now that is something I didn't think about. I would assume though that if businesses and fans wanted it enough it could persuade them. But, again, I never thought of the Canadian government intervening. Which, is very likely to happen.
What is funny is that out of every location, I would actually support Las Vegas after Los Angeles. I mentioned Canada as a possible site, and got responses as I expected to happen. But, if my Canada comment never created a debate, I actually would have stressed to put a team in Vegas.
As for the NHL & AHL, I get where you are coming from, but I used it because I just wanted to illustrate that teams in different leagues could exist in Toronto. But, you're right. It is a major league vs. Minor league situation. Just as one team owns the other. Maybe I would have made my point fine with the competing league examples I made. And left out that scenario.
What is funny is that out of every location, I would actually support Las Vegas after Los Angeles. I mentioned Canada as a possible site, and got responses as I expected to happen. But, if my Canada comment never created a debate, I actually would have stressed to put a team in Vegas.
As for the NHL & AHL, I get where you are coming from, but I used it because I just wanted to illustrate that teams in different leagues could exist in Toronto. But, you're right. It is a major league vs. Minor league situation. Just as one team owns the other. Maybe I would have made my point fine with the competing league examples I made. And left out that scenario.
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Fans in toronto might want a team but fans in the other CFL cities (and the owners and the league itself) would probably be less than thrilled with losing their biggest market.
