NFL Lockout thread

[HD MM]

I have a feeling, we'll need to take up a new hobby come fall/winter. The likelihood of a season is looking dim.

 

[salsadancer7]

I have a feeling, we'll need to take up a new hobby come fall/winter. The likelihood of a season is looking dim.

From what I hearing is that THE date is a deal had to done by July 4. Things would pushed back where the season would start in October with no bye weeks and the SB would be played in mid February.

 

[Rey]

i'm sure the NFL channel ratings are down as well. i for one haven't tuned to it. and don't plan to. wtf for??? for the first time in years i'm not interested at all in anything that has to do with the NFL.thats huge for me. and i really don't care at this point.

 

[meStevo]

Things will get moving when the players stop waiting for court dates and actually resume negotiations. Owners have now made 2 proposals since March with no counter from the players.

 

[BlackHitachi]

Things will get moving when the players stop waiting for court dates and actually resume negotiations. Owners have now made 2 proposals since March with no counter from the players.

Counter why should they counter? Why don't they just keep the same agreement as they have now? The players are not asking for more..

 

[meStevo]

Counter why should they counter? Why don't they just keep the same agreement as they have now? The players are not asking for more..

They are asking for more simply by asking for a 50-50 split. The previous CBA was too player-friendly even before the economy went to sh*t. The NFL proposal had a lot of things the players were asking for. If you were a player how do you say no to an increased salary cap (so more money in players pockets), and all forms of workout rules scaled back so you are less tired and there's less wear and tear. Add in more contract guarantees in the event of injury, a 60% boost in your benefits when you're retired. The big picture disconnect is that this offer severed the 'true up' that it's called for some reason. The salary cap would be increased to $161m over 4 years and the spending is based on projections of revenue. The proposal doesn't address revenue in excess of projections... which would be a good discussion point to try and get things done but the Union didn't counter and propose a way to spend excess money in a system like this.

It could be worse, they could be as far apart as the NBA and that players union is. The NBA wants to role back all player salaries 40%.

 

[Jimbo]

NOTHING will get done till both parties get back to the negotiating table, I don't know if the judges ruling has anything to do with that at all, but if it does, the Judge is not helping matters.

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[meStevo]

NOTHING will get done till both parties get back to the negotiating table, I don't know if the judges ruling has anything to do with that at all, but if it does, the Judge is not helping matters.

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2 things prevent this. First, the players after taking one to the chin and having the lockout reinstated said they are waiting for the next court date. The second, is it's difficult for either side to discuss a new deal without compromising their legal positions. The NFL wants to collectively bargain a new deal with the NFLPA. The NFLPA want's to litigate a new deal and have federal court oversee it. The difference being that the NFL wants to make a deal with those who represent the players and the union, while the NFLPA wants it to be the result of the settlement of their lawsuit, which means making the deal with the lawyers (including De Smith).

The NFL has been beating the 'lets keep talking' drum since 3/11 when the players walked away. Only the second point above is when the NFL has backed away from that, because De Smith said 'our lawyers are ready to talk any time'.

Players and agents are cracking also, they don't understand why they have to wait until an expected 8th circuit ruling against the players is a benchmark to wait on and that discussions should continue. One agent has asked for exactly what was offered on 3/11 and the recent offer so he can explain to his 45 players why they aren't playing right now. Jason Snelling recently spoke up and ripped into the process and said parties should be meeting every day. Have to wonder how many other players and agents share those opinions.

 

[shkarter1985]

The lockout hurts the ecomony. I remember the Writers Guild of America Strike of 2007-08 that lasted 100 days and four months. I wish that the lockout would end, IDK about it. I would say "NFL is a union business to NFL was a union business."

 

[Islandguy43]

They are asking for more simply by asking for a 50-50 split. The previous CBA was too player-friendly even before the economy went to sh*t. The NFL proposal had a lot of things the players were asking for. If you were a player how do you say no to an increased salary cap (so more money in players pockets), and all forms of workout rules scaled back so you are less tired and there's less wear and tear. Add in more contract guarantees in the event of injury, a 60% boost in your benefits when you're retired. The big picture disconnect is that this offer severed the 'true up' that it's called for some reason. The salary cap would be increased to $161m over 4 years and the spending is based on projections of revenue. The proposal doesn't address revenue in excess of projections... which would be a good discussion point to try and get things done but the Union didn't counter and propose a way to spend excess money in a system like this.

It could be worse, they could be as far apart as the NBA and that players union is. The NBA wants to role back all player salaries 40%.

Whinning Billioniares fighting with Whinning Millioniares.

 

[Jimbo]

2 things prevent this. First, the players after taking one to the chin and having the lockout reinstated said they are waiting for the next court date. The second, is it's difficult for either side to discuss a new deal without compromising their legal positions. The NFL wants to collectively bargain a new deal with the NFLPA. The NFLPA want's to litigate a new deal and have federal court oversee it. The difference being that the NFL wants to make a deal with those who represent the players and the union, while the NFLPA wants it to be the result of the settlement of their lawsuit, which means making the deal with the lawyers (including De Smith).

The NFL has been beating the 'lets keep talking' drum since 3/11 when the players walked away. Only the second point above is when the NFL has backed away from that, because De Smith said 'our lawyers are ready to talk any time'.

Players and agents are cracking also, they don't understand why they have to wait until an expected 8th circuit ruling against the players is a benchmark to wait on and that discussions should continue. One agent has asked for exactly what was offered on 3/11 and the recent offer so he can explain to his 45 players why they aren't playing right now. Jason Snelling recently spoke up and ripped into the process and said parties should be meeting every day. Have to wonder how many other players and agents share those opinions.

Earlier in the situation I said I supported the player, now with THIS situation I am supporting the Owners.
From the sounds of it, they CA
N'T get back to bargaining till the Court says so, well then the Court should do something right away, but they haven't.
The Courts are hurting the situation now.

 

[salsadancer7]

Earlier in the situation I said I supported the player, now with THIS situation I am supporting the Owners.
From the sounds of it, they CA
N'T get back to bargaining till the Court says so, well then the Court should do something right away, but they haven't.
The Courts are hurting the situation now.

Won't support a group of BILLIONAIRES crying poverty when they barely have any money come out of their own pockets and hold cities/counties and states hostage for stadiums. Fans try too much to compare millionaire players to average Joe on the street...but yet want to feel for the billionaire owner who bends them over for seating licenses, $10 beers and $20 parking in some cases.

I am not gonna feel sorry for a player who does not think a million dollars a year is enough...but there is NO WAY I will feel for a billionaire who cries he "is losing money"...because he is not.

 

[meStevo]

Won't support a group of BILLIONAIRES crying poverty when they barely have any money come out of their own pockets and hold cities/counties and states hostage for stadiums. Fans try too much to compare millionaire players to average Joe on the street...but yet want to feel for the billionaire owner who bends them over for seating licenses, $10 beers and $20 parking in some cases.

I am not gonna feel sorry for a player who does not think a million dollars a year is enough...but there is NO WAY I will feel for a billionaire who cries he "is losing money"...because he is not.

It's not about losing money, it's about fixing the business model.

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[salsadancer7]

It's not about losing money, it's about fixing the business model.

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And if you believe THAT ONE.... I was some wonderful swamp...ah..."waterfront property" for sale. Where was this "business model" mentality in the last CBA....? Since then, the TV contracts have been more lucrative and contracts got bigger, they, because of their stupidity of signing the last CBA, were being left out of the bigger pie, so now, they want a do over...

So you can believe what you wanna believe, I for one have not seen a shred of evidence saying the "business model" is suffering in any way.

 

[salsadancer7]

It's not about losing money, it's about fixing the business model.

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LMAO..

 

[Jimbo]

Won't support a group of BILLIONAIRES crying poverty when they barely have any money come out of their own pockets and hold cities/counties and states hostage for stadiums. Fans try too much to compare millionaire players to average Joe on the street...but yet want to feel for the billionaire owner who bends them over for seating licenses, $10 beers and $20 parking in some cases.

I am not gonna feel sorry for a player who does not think a million dollars a year is enough...but there is NO WAY I will feel for a billionaire who cries he "is losing money"...because he is not.

In reality, I'm not supporting either of them, it's stupid what they are doing, now they have the courts involved, thats never a good thing.

I guess I should have said, I understand that situation, not that I support it.

 

[Derwin0]

Problem is, in a 50-50 revenue split, the owners don't keep all that 50% as income like the players do.

It goes to all the other employee salaries in the organization, goes to upkeep of the facilities (to include all the practive facilities and such), and whatever other costs there are in running a football team.

 

[salsadancer7]

Problem is, in a 50-50 revenue split, the owners don't keep all that 50% as income like the players do.

It goes to all the other employee salaries in the organization, goes to upkeep of the facilities (to include all the practive facilities and such), and whatever other costs there are in running a football team.

Again...where was this concern by the owners when they signed the last CBA? No where to be found. Now, knowing that the contract with the cable an satellite networks have become more lucrative....suddenly, there is this concern with "the business model"... Sorry, not buying it.

 

[meStevo]

LMAO..

This kind of reply is kind of why we are where we are at. The replies from the union have been equally as constructive as the one above.

 

[salsadancer7]

This kind of reply is kind of why we are where we are at. The replies from the union have been equally as constructive as the one above.

What about my reply before...the lack of acknowledgement is why some people think the owners actually care more for the game than their own pockets....