New Hybrid LNB coming Dec. 10

[JosephB]

New customers still get the 722, there has been nothing said that denotes the new LNB will not work with VIP equipment or below, RVers can still use if it works with VIP equipment and below.

The 722s in stock are not just for replacement. New customers get them and 211 and even 625's. They still offer them, but do not still manufacturer them, eliminating that from your point. The only thing that would make sense would be commercial accounts, and with the number they would have in stock(I promise, they have a great many in stock) the DPP LNBF can be phased out. Now if someone came on here and said it will not work with VIP equipment, then you may have a point, but there has been nothing proven to that as of yet. Both your argument and mine is all speculative, and unfortusntely there are not enough facts on the table yet. We do not even know what the new LNbs can do yet. For all we know, it can handle Commercial accounts with the right improved equipment there as well.

Well it already can't work with *all* DPP equipment since it only has two outputs. You couldn't hook it up to a DPP switch. And given the documentation we've already seen, it's fairly obvious that the way this new LNB works is by cramming all of the circuitry of a Duo Node into the LNB. Now, it is possible for it to default to "DPP mode" until it sees some signal from a Hopper, but that seems unlikely given the fact that they still need DPP out there for all of the other reasons I said.

It's possible for them to refurbish 722s and keep reusing them, and of course they'll keep selling them and leasing them as long as they have stock. It's not like they're going to throw them away. Receivers have much more turnover than LNBs, though, and you don't send LNBs back when you cancel service or when you upgrade. There won't be a huge fleet of LNBs coming back to Dish over time. They'll need new ones as time goes on and new installs are done.

I wonder how you hook up a 2 hopper 2 Joey 2 VIP 211 setup?
How does a DPP44 connect to this?

It doesn't. You'll need to use a legacy DPP LNB with the DPP switch.

 

[ChadT41]

It is not worth arguing. Ok, I guess we will see when it comes out. We are fighting over something neither of us knows. The only thing you have heard about is the LNB, is what has been stated in the first few posts. But let's assume you are right. Just to end the arguing over no information.

 

[TechWriter]

What is the basis of that analysis?

The current Travler 1000.2 WA head has 3 outputs, the new DPH head has 2 outputs. The Travler's alignment system might get screwed up.

 

[stardust3]

 

[ChadT41]

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Now we have a reason to keep the DPP around. That answers the backwards compatible question.

 

[JosephB]

Also answered is the question about what to do in a hopper only (no joey) install, and that still requires a hub. And in terms of the Traveller, I would almost guarantee that this isn't compatible with it just based on the fact that the Traveller is going to be speaking DPP to the LNB, and this thing obviously doesn't speak DPP, but instead expects to communicate with a Hopper as if there's a Node there.

 

[stardust3]

 

[ChadT41]

So what is the limitations on Hoppers with this new LNB? Meaning how many tuners can it handle? The DPP1K.2 can handle 6 tuners without the external switch. If this can handle more, how many tuners will it handle on the Hopper?

 

[stardust3]

So what is the limitations on Hoppers with this new LNB? Meaning how many tuners can it handle?

Best I can tell from the limited info available it will handle 2 hoppers.

 

[stardust3]

 

[ChadT41]

I'm talking about with the new one coming out. There have been multiple rumors on it having 16 tuners, or 4 tuners recording 16 things, or a combination. With all those extra tuners, can you still connect two? Just curious.

 

[stardust3]

C/P:
This is the first in a two part series on the rollout of the next generation of LNBF and components, called Dish
Pro Hybrid, (DPH). The NEW DPH LNBF and components have advanced technology to support future
product releases.


Maybe the 2nd rollout will support more tuners?.?.?

 

[satjay]

I'm talking about with the new one coming out. There have been multiple rumors on it having 16 tuners, or 4 tuners recording 16 things, or a combination. With all those extra tuners, can you still connect two? Just curious.

I won't claim to know to know much about technology and how extra tuners would work but I don't really see big jumps in tuners, not sure what would even be possible

 

[ChadT41]

I won't claim to know to know much about technology, but I don't really see big jumps in tuners, not sure what would even be possible

Agreed. I'm just going off that other thread for the "wish list" ideas, and comparing it here. Who knows, probably nothing, but I still want to know the tuner limitations on this LNB.

 

[JosephB]

On the face of it, it seems like it's not adding any additional capacity, since there is a "Duo Hub" for 2nd Hoppers and Super Joeys, although that could be due to limitations in the tuners in current generation Hoppers/Super Joeys.

The fact that a hub is required even on single receiver installations, though, points to the need for them to block MoCA from going up the line, which could signal that they've stacked even more orbital slots to higher and lower frequency ranges. So, it's possible.

 

[ChadT41]

On the face of it, it seems like it's not adding any additional capacity, since there is a "Duo Hub" for 2nd Hoppers and Super Joeys, although that could be due to limitations in the tuners in current generation Hoppers/Super Joeys.

The fact that a hub is required even on single receiver installations, though, points to the need for them to block MoCA from going up the line, which could signal that they've stacked even more orbital slots to higher and lower frequency ranges. So, it's possible.

So what would your guess be? 3 tuner, 4 "PTAT" tuners, or the max mentioned as of yet in the other thread, 16??

 

[satjay]

So in simple terms, maybe folks can explain a bit more to me l, will the LNB make things more flexible as far as more hoppers, what could be the added benefits of this

 

[ChadT41]

So in simple terms, maybe folks can explain a bit more to me and does the new LNB make things more flexible as far as more hoppers, what could be the added benefits of this

Thank you for clarifying my point.

 

[stardust3]

So in simple terms, maybe folks can explain a bit more to me and does the new LNB make things more flexible as far as more hoppers, what could be the added benefits of this

The only benefit I can see so far is 1 less wire from the dish. This isn't a setup for a 3+ hopper system.

 

[JosephB]

So what would your guess be? 3 tuner, 4 "PTAT" tuners, or the max mentioned as of yet in the other thread, 16??

No idea. To get those additional satellite slots down the cable to a new, as-yet-unreleased Hopper or other DVR, they'd have to do something to the MoCA frequencies they're using which would probably make those new receivers incompatible with Hoppers. Also, one would think details on that kind of stuff would at least be mentioned. At any rate, like was said above, probably gonna have to just wait and see.

If the limit is 16, then the limit is probably "unlimited", since the way that Dish does "single wire" is different than DirecTV. DirecTV puts 8 transponders on the wire, but Dish is putting entire orbital slot/polarity selections. To get up to 16 supported tuners the coax would have to be carrying all possible locations, meaning that you could have unlimited at that point.

So in simple terms, maybe folks can explain a bit more does the new LNB make things more flexible as far as more hoppers, what could be the added benefits of this

It doesn't make it more flexible for more Hoppers. As a matter of fact it limits you to two Hoppers or one Hopper + one Super Joey. If you want three Hoppers you have to use the "old" DPP LNB and associated switches and Nodes (instead of hubs). The advantage to this arrangement is that in a one Hopper system with no Super Joey you only need one wire from the dish, or in a two hopper or hopper+super joey setup, you only need two wires from the dish. This is also probably cheaper than a DPP LNB + Solo or Duo node.

So, for example, right now I have 1 hopper + 1 regular joey + 1 hopper internet connector. I want to add a super joey, and I'll just wait for this since I have two lines from my dish to a solo node, and then already have wires running to where they need to go in the house. I can replace the LNB with this one, and the solo node with a duo hub, and I won't need to run any additional coax at all.