New Hybrid LNB coming Dec. 10

[harshness]

This sounds like a major improvement for us RV'ers with a Hopper/Joey - fewer outside connections.

Based on the comment from Brussam in post #164, this may not be the win that some think it must be.

I'm not convinced that it won't work with some manner of band stop filter on the positioner input but it may not be possible to use a DPH LNB assembly with a self-aiming dish (assuming that it fits into the travel mode envelope).

 

[Ziptied]

........ will this affect the use of signal finders such as my Birddog?

I had to do a software update on my AI Turbo S2.

 

[TechWriter]

I had to do a software update on my AI Turbo S2.

Ditto for Super Buddy which needs:

• North American Field Guide v2.38
• SSB Main v3.10

 

[TechWriter]

I contacted Winegard and they assume that it wouldn't work because they tap the signal stream for the controller to identify the satellites. They had not tried it.

I tested the WA DPH on my Travler. It works! Pulls in 110, 119, and 129 plus 61.5 in Manual mode (but not 72).

Plus, since you only need 2 of the 3 Travler cables, you could attach the 3rd coax to the DHP's LNB IN for an optional wing dish (like 72).

Verified all signals with my Super Buddy.

 

[Brussam]

Techwriter, did the Trav'ler seek to the satellite in Auto Mode or just in Manual Mode?

 

[TechWriter]

If you mean did the SK-1000 behave normally in Multi Sat mode with the DPH, then Yes.

 

[s10zr2]

I am excited about the new Hopper 3, but not about the new Hybrid LNB. My locals in Cincinnati Ohio are on 77. I don't want to add a wing dish on my roof. Maybe the will move them to western arc. Why did they eliminate the 77 on the new LNB anyway?

 

[harshness]

Why did they eliminate the 77 on the new LNB anyway?

IIRC, 77W is a Latin American/Mexican slot for Ku and they may want that bandwidth back at some point.

Also, DISH surely wants to limit CONUS LIL as much as possible to avoid a repeat of and FCC sanction that bit them pretty hard.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

What are you talking about? Only thing I remember is distant networks.

 

[Foxbat]

Okay, as I understand the new Hybrid LNB and Hybrid Solo Hub, I will end up with a spare downlink from the dish (I currently have two RG6, one to my 722k, one to my 211k). (I know I using Scott's image of the Hybrid Duo Hub, but pretend it's a Solo )

The ground block would be replaced with the Hybrid Solo Hub, one downlink would be connected to the ODU port of the Hub, the new Hopper 3 (fingers-crossed) replaces the 722k and connects to the Host connection, and the 4K Joey replaces the 211k connected to one of the Client ports. The last Client port gets capped with a 75-ohm terminator. Does that sound right for my simple case?

Now, big question: what can I do with the now-unused downlink? From what has been said, when the Hopper 3 is connected to the Hybrid Hub, it switches everything to DPZ mode, so that makes me think the second downlink would be unusable.

 

[harshness]

From what has been said, when the Hopper 3 is connected to the Hybrid Hub, it switches everything to DPZ mode, so that makes me think the second downlink would be unusable.

It is folly to get wound up about having an extra cable. At one time or another, just about everyone has wished they had one available.

Do both of your cables enter through the same outdoor wall penetration now?

 

[harshness]

Only thing I remember is distant networks.

That along with the mandate to obtain 100% LIL penetration on the gubmint's schedule (as opposed to their own; something I'm not certain DIRECTV has accomplished even yet).

It is just like gubmint to make you prove you don't need/can't use something to make it a condition of granting it to you.

 

[Foxbat]

It is folly to get wound up about having an extra cable.

I'm a Systems Analyst by trade, so overthinking projects is my forte.

My current Dish 1000.4 is up on the second floor roof, the twin RG6 w/ground cable comes down along side the downspout to the twin ground block near my electrical service entrance. From there it goes to two RG6 cables to my current ViP receivers. Pretty average installation.

I understand that the switch to the DP Hybrid means a new Dish 1000.2 with the new EA Hybrid LNB. I expected the old ground block would be removed and replaced with the Hybrid Solo Hub. I was curious how the Tech would terminate the unused cable to prevent possible damage to the connector or possible interference in the future.

 

[Bobby]

If I were the tech I'd terminate both cables at the Hybrid LNB. Then I'd use the one connected to port one as the input to the new hub. I'd put a 75 ohm terminator on the other one. Everything is now weatherproofed....

 

[harshness]

I expected the old ground block would be removed and replaced with the Hybrid Solo Hub.

Seems logical, but you never know for sure what they're going to do. Some installers like to minimize the outdoor connections (though moving the hub inside would save at most one).

To me, the bigger concern is whether or not the existing cable qualifies for bandwidth; especially in DPX installations.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

I am told just like the current Hopper installs, the only cable that must be RG6 is the one going to the Hopper. You can reuse whatever wires you have for the joeys. (Of course all RG 6 would be best)

 

[TheKrell]

I am told just like the current Hopper installs, the only cable that must be RG6 is the one going to the Hopper. You can reuse whatever wires you have for the joeys. (Of course all RG 6 would be best)

How about the bandwidth requirement and sweep test to 3GHz for DPX? Are the DPZ requirements going up even higher? (I would expect so, but if not, then why not?)

 

[harshness]

How about the bandwidth requirement and sweep test to 3GHz for DPX? Are the DPZ requirements going up even higher? (I would expect so, but if not, then why not?)

I would expect that DPZ requires less bandwidth as they probably aren't sending 500MHz bands as DPX does. I suspect that DPZ is sending at the transponder bandwidth (24MHz/tuner) or perhaps 500MHz for 16 tuners (with guard bands) where DPX is sending >1.25GHz.

To get what you want, sometimes you have to overspec.

 

[charlesrshell]

I would expect that DPZ requires less bandwidth as they probably aren't sending 500MHz bands as DPX does. I suspect that DPZ is sending at the transponder bandwidth (24MHz/tuner) or perhaps 500MHz for 16 tuners (with guard bands) where DPX is sending >1.25GHz.

To get what you want, sometimes you have to overspec.

So will diplexing still be restricted?

 

[MikeD-C05]

So will diplexing still be restricted?

I wish they would of addressed that one with the new hybrid lnb and solo hub. Would of been nice to have a one switch solution for sat and diplexing ota too.