I think that this has been established, cyberham, that neither features nor quality are being sacrificed. Price is also a feature. People want a low price, look at all those bargain boxes with the same Ali chipsets that are perpetually waiting for the next firmware to solve simple problems that Manhattan cured in a matter of weeks -- yet people praise the bargain boxes anyway. That is fine. But to me, things like s-t-u-t-t-e-r-i-n-g video and clocks that won't work are not acceptable. It seems to me the era of the quirky, semi-reliable, sluggish FTA box that "might die any day now" (if you didn't get lucky) has come to a close. This microHD box will sell at a price close to the bargain box that one user now plans to use for target practice. By the way, the profit margin on those bargain boxes appears large enough to have paid for the ongoing development that never happened. You don't always get what you pay for. Fortunately, here at this forum, for any new box that hits the market we have Iceberg with his flamethrower -- he does not mince words or cut anyone any slack in his product evaluations. May the best boxes win.