New Fee To Add Joey

[ncted]

I really think that it is a choice by DISH to allow more than one stream or not. I want more than one stream and they choose not to do it.

Do we know how Dish is doing the transcoding for DA? Is it using the main CPU, or is there dedicated silicon for that? If the former, they probably don't want to overburden an already busy processor. If the latter, then it may only be capable of 1 stream.

 

[Bobby]

I really think that it is a choice by DISH to allow more than one stream or not. I want more than one stream and they choose not to do it.

Let's put it this way, if I had only DSL as my only option for internet at my house I would have 1.5 mbps down available and 0.6mbps up. That's a true figure, that's all AT&T has here. Now, I might be able to get some kind of a DA connection when I am in a motel somewhere and be able to watch a program off of my Dish receiver with Sling. Getting two streams is not even worth thinking about because I would blow out my bandwidth, period. So, let's say that I am not tech savvy and I can't figure out why I can't get that second stream at the second motel. What do I do, I call DISH and bitch about it. They do truck rolls, at my cost, replace receivers and it still doesn't work. I've wasted my time and theirs and spent my money, and theirs, for nothing. A provider has to deliver to the lowest common denominator to make their business work. That's what they are doing here. One stream from a receiver, period...

 

[TheKrell]

Do we know how Dish is doing the transcoding for DA? Is it using the main CPU, or is there dedicated silicon for that? If the former, they probably don't want to overburden an already busy processor. If the latter, then it may only be capable of 1 stream.

I vote for the latter (dedicated hardware only capable of 1 stream). I am pretty sure the Sling Adapter could only handle 1 stream.

And why was the sling portion of the 922 discontinued? Does that make sense to anybody?

 

[joegr]

I really think that it is a choice by DISH to allow more than one stream or not. I want more than one stream and they choose not to do it.

Yes, I always assumed it was part of an effort to force the use of Joeys to get those additional outlet fees.

 

[ncted]

About half of my monthly bill is equipment fees, which is one factor driving me to consider going OOT streaming. So far, there are pluses and minuses I've found in OTT, but the big minuses are User Experience-related. Specifically, trick-play and navigation are not nearly as good/easy as you get with a Dish Hopper/Joey. Maybe those equipment fees are worth it after all, at least as long as there are commercials to be avoided?

After posting the above, and in advance of my Dish contract renewal coming up at the end of the summer, I have just spent the past few days, and the past 8 hours in particular trying out YTTV, Hulu Live, and PS Vue. I tried out Sling a week earlier. I've read tons of help documents, watched how-to videos, read forums to make sure I was doing things the right and most efficient way possible. These services all have things I really like about them, such as the unlimited DVR on YTTV and PS Vue, the My Stuff integration on Hulu, and the value for money with Sling. My biggest complaint with all of them, and this applies to some more than others, is the sheer number of clicks it takes on the remote to do anything. There are many other interface quirks I dislike about all of them (and there are a few with Dish too FWIW), but the amount of time and effort it takes to do what I consider routine operations is just maddening with OTT Live services.

I cannot foresee having one of these be my primary source of live TV any time soon. Paying for Joeys and Hoppers is very much worth it in my book based on this experience. I realize not everyone will agree, but that is where I am right now. Until Dish offers an app experience as good as a Joey 2, with all the features available there, I'll be sticking with proprietary hardware.

 

[mwdxer1]

Well, I don't like this. There's a $10 fee to add a joey, aka the $25 fee for WiFi Joeys, unless you're a 1 Star Customer with Dish Protect Gold.

This going to be a double nightmare when Sales reps do upgrades from VIP to Hopper Duo and not add the needed Joey for TV2 - which is very common.

smh on this one

I have decided with all of the issues and cost involved with getting a Hopper/Dongle/another HDD, I am going to stay with my trusty vip211k, until Dish no longer will support it. It works well for a single guy like me. There seems to be so much in extra add on rent fees, one time fees, etc. No wonder people are moving to streaming. How long Dish will keep the 211k's activated is anyone's guess, but I hope it will be for sometime.

 

[mwdxer1]

DISH doesn't care anymore about attracting new subs. They are just trying to milk all the money they can out of existing and newer subs. It is really a shame. I can remember the good old days of the late 90s when DISH was about NO fees for their Pvr recording or "tapeless recording" as Charlie called it on one of the Charlie Chats. Now its all about the FEES. They charge a NO dvr fee now on the Wally. I mean Charlie must really just want everyone to go full on Sling tv or another ott service and drop the satellite tv.

Charlie must be interested in increasing his base as the story is out that Dish is looking at buying Direct TV. AT&T plans no more satellites, and this might be a way for Dish to really increase their customer base. The problem with Sling, there is so much competition out there in the steaming world now. With Disney+, AT&T HBO Warner coming out with a service, and I am sure more to come. Dish only had a couple competitors either a cable service in the customers town and Direct. The field in streaming is huge and getting bigger. Sling is very popular, but for now long?

 

[mwdxer1]

After posting the above, and in advance of my Dish contract renewal coming up at the end of the summer, I have just spent the past few days, and the past 8 hours in particular trying out YTTV, Hulu Live, and PS Vue. I tried out Sling a week earlier. I've read tons of help documents, watched how-to videos, read forums to make sure I was doing things the right and most efficient way possible. These services all have things I really like about them, such as the unlimited DVR on YTTV and PS Vue, the My Stuff integration on Hulu, and the value for money with Sling. My biggest complaint with all of them, and this applies to some more than others, is the sheer number of clicks it takes on the remote to do anything. There are many other interface quirks I dislike about all of them (and there are a few with Dish too FWIW), but the amount of time and effort it takes to do what I consider routine operations is just maddening with OTT Live services.

I cannot foresee having one of these be my primary source of live TV any time soon. Paying for Joeys and Hoppers is very much worth it in my book based on this experience. I realize not everyone will agree, but that is where I am right now. Until Dish offers an app experience as good as a Joey 2, with all the features available there, I'll be sticking with proprietary hardware.

One big complaint I have read over and over with streaming is there are no really good DVR in streaming. People like the line up, but there are so many that do not offer a DVR or DVR feature. I do like the HDD that you know your program will be there. On Demand it isn't important as the movie or show is there, but on live streaming a HDD to a necessary item to have.

 

[ncted]

One big complaint I have read over and over with streaming is there are no really good DVR in streaming. People like the line up, but there are so many that do not offer a DVR or DVR feature. I do like the HDD that you know your program will be there. On Demand it isn't important as the movie or show is there, but on live streaming a HDD to a necessary item to have.

Yeah. If I'd never had a Tivo or Hopper or Genie, I would probably think the cloud DVR was awesome, but alas.

 

[JSheridan]

When I can get 4 channels on screen at the same time like with MultiView and mirror that on multiple TV's with a responsive DVR with the ability to skip all commercials then and only then internet TV might be an option.

 

[charlesrshell]

When I can get 4 channels on screen at the same time like with MultiView and mirror that on multiple TV's with a responsive DVR with the ability to skip all commercials then and only then internet TV might be an option.

AMEN

 

[navychop]

AT&T is days away from launching another DTV satellite.


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[PasTypique]

AT&T is days away from launching another DTV satellite.


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Don't you mean death star? (sorry...can't help it)

 

[mwdxer1]

Yeah. If I'd never had a Tivo or Hopper or Genie, I would probably think the cloud DVR was awesome, but alas.

I had my old 2700 for years before I got a DVR feature with the 211k. I was missing a lot. I watch a lot of TV programs I would not be watching today, if I couldn't skip ahead with the ads. There is no way I will sit through 4-5 minutes of ads and then in a few minutes more to get another. Too easy to lose interest in the program. If DVRs were not allowed, I am sure many channels would lose a lot in ratings.

 

[HipKat]

AT&T is days away from launching another DTV satellite.


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Wait., what!!???

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/at-t-gets-serious-about-sunsetting-satellites


In case you haven’t heard, AT&T is done launching DirecTV satellites.

The telecom, which purchased satellite-TV company DirecTV for $48.5 billion in 2015, has been not-so-quietly developing an Android TV-powered set-top box that would receive video channels over the open internet.

Now AT&T executives are openly discussing the Osprey, a piece of hardware that will eventually replace satellite receivers and dishes in customers' homes — and save the company gobs of money in the process.

“The biggest cost we have is the truck roll and getting that installation out,” AT&T chief financial officer John Stephens said at the Deutsche Bank Media, Internet & Telecom Conference.

“We’ve been beta-testing within our employee base a thing called Osprey, which is a self-installed, full linear product,” he said. “You don’t have to do a ‘roll the truck, pull out a ladder, climb the roof and put out a satellite dish.’ You can hook this box into your fiber line, your broadband line — whether it’s ours or somebody else’s — so effectively the only truck roll is the UPS truck.”

 

[JSheridan]

Wait., what!!???

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/at-t-gets-serious-about-sunsetting-satellites


In case you haven’t heard, AT&T is done launching DirecTV satellites.

The telecom, which purchased satellite-TV company DirecTV for $48.5 billion in 2015, has been not-so-quietly developing an Android TV-powered set-top box that would receive video channels over the open internet.

Now AT&T executives are openly discussing the Osprey, a piece of hardware that will eventually replace satellite receivers and dishes in customers' homes — and save the company gobs of money in the process.

“The biggest cost we have is the truck roll and getting that installation out,” AT&T chief financial officer John Stephens said at the Deutsche Bank Media, Internet & Telecom Conference.

“We’ve been beta-testing within our employee base a thing called Osprey, which is a self-installed, full linear product,” he said. “You don’t have to do a ‘roll the truck, pull out a ladder, climb the roof and put out a satellite dish.’ You can hook this box into your fiber line, your broadband line — whether it’s ours or somebody else’s — so effectively the only truck roll is the UPS truck.”

Payload processing is underway for Flight VA248

 

[MikeD-C05]

Charlie must be interested in increasing his base as the story is out that Dish is looking at buying Direct TV. AT&T plans no more satellites, and this might be a way for Dish to really increase their customer base. The problem with Sling, there is so much competition out there in the steaming world now. With Disney+, AT&T HBO Warner coming out with a service, and I am sure more to come. Dish only had a couple competitors either a cable service in the customers town and Direct. The field in streaming is huge and getting bigger. Sling is very popular, but for now long?

After seeing the DISH /Directv attempted merger last decade I would say don't count your chickens till they are hatched. Charlie is a wild card and even if they agree to merge or for DISH to buy Directv out right , there is the different departments in the government that are against it for monopoly reasons. I think Charlie is too financially stretched right now with all that bandwith he has acquired and trying to implement the "internet of things" before next spring or he loses all that bandwith he has amassed. I don't think he could scrape up any money to buy Directv since he is already over extended and there is still all that customer churn that both sat companies are experiencing. The future is not satellite for the vast majority of the country. If they ever get those space x satellites to work for mobile internet , it will open another choice for those in the rural areas that today only have satellite. Then it will like when Charlie bought Blockbuster. After a few years there will be no more.

 

[Claude Greiner]

Reminds me when they charged the DVR fee PER receiver, but waived it with the everything pack.

So I got the everything pack so I could keep my (6) 722’s at $7 per receiver.

Then they revised their fees and went to $17 per receiver and my bill went up $50.

The fees are getting out of hand. DVR fee, fee for having no DVR, Joey fee.

When does it end?

 

[ncted]

Reminds me when they charged the DVR fee PER receiver, but waived it with the everything pack.

So I got the everything pack so I could keep my (6) 722’s at $7 per receiver.

Then they revised their fees and went to $17 per receiver and my bill went up $50.

The fees are getting out of hand. DVR fee, fee for having no DVR, Joey fee.

When does it end?

When the traditional linear providers go out of business because everyone switched to streaming?

 

[mdram]

When the traditional linear providers go out of business because everyone switched to streaming?

nope, as the streamers will eventually add fees.