NCAA Football 2012-13 season

[Ronnie-]

See there you go with the rankings again. Poop on rankings,playoffs and may the best team win! As for conference championships if the NCAA says they are no longer needed then they would be eliminated.This crap BCS bowl stuff has got to stop at some point.As I said its pretty much a popularity contest.

I didn't mention rankings. (Well i guess i did, but take rankings out. Would the sec give up bama vs georgia for bama/georgia vs southern oregon? no, rankings be darned) no other power conference would either. Fact is basketball and football are different.


As for championships, as long as there are conferences, and as long as they have tv contracts, the NCAA can pound sand. If they tried to do away with it, they would have no product.

 

[Teehar]

I agree that there are too many bowl games. Admitting that fact in no way concedes that a large field playoff would work or is better.

With the bowls, even if tons of teams get in, the season means something. You don't win the championship be getting to Birmingham.


With a large field playoff, it most certainly diminishes the importance of the regular season somewhat. You won't see even the few big game matchup a we have now. Why would they be scheduled ? Why risk the loss ?

Both should be cut down IMO.

I just think that way of thinking is flawed.The NFL has 32 teams 12 gets to the playoffs.That's over 1/3.The FCS playoffs have now expanded to 20+ teams and very few complaints about it.Neither diminishes the regular season one iota.It can and would work for FBS just fine.If they insist on a top 25 ranking system then 25 team playoff.Otherwise why even have a ranking system.Contract the rankings to 20 or even 16 if need be.A 16 game playoff system could work beautifully for FBS imo.

 

[Teehar]

As for championships, as long as there are conferences, and as long as they have tv contracts, the NCAA can pound sand. If they tried to do away with it, they would have no product.

I'm pretty sure the NCAA is the governing body of NCAA football. They could do whatever they wish,for that matter they already do.That's why we have the mess called BCS.

 

[Ronnie-]

The nfl and the NCAA can not be compared IMO. Big games simply will not be scheduled if there is a large field playoff.

Why would Bama play Michigan and risk the loss? Why would Oklahoma play notre dame? Why would auburn play Clemson ? All they would have to do is make the field. They can do that by winning a decent amount of conference games and a few cupcakes with a 10-12 game regular season schedule.


The nfl has a high percentage of teams on the playoffs because they have fewer teams total. They can't avoid the power teams or bigger games like the NCAA teams could. Their season may be longer but they have fewer teams to schedule. It's an uneven comparison.


The lower divisions do have larger playoffs, but outside of those schools and their fans, like lower tier bowls, who cares ? It's just different.

 

[Ronnie-]

I'm pretty sure the NCAA is the governing body of NCAA football. They could do whatever they wish,for that matter they already do.That's why we have the mess called BCS.

If they start costing the power teams/conferences money, you would see how in charge they are. Without those teams that people want to watch, the NCAA has no teeth.

 

[Teehar]

Oh that problem could easily be solved.The Ncaa could simply say no FCS games on an FBS schedule for starters.They could also say we will handle the scheduling.

As for you and I,we will just have to agree to disagree.I say it can work you say it can't.

 

[Teehar]

If they start costing the power teams/conferences money, you would see how in charge they are. Without those teams that people want to watch, the NCAA has no teeth.

Geesh,without the NCAA there would be no college football period.It's not a democracy,the NCAA governing body has complete authority to do as they wish.Sure they ain't gonna kill a cash cow but,if big schools start saying we're not doing this or that they would shut the football program down in a hurry.

 

[Ronnie-]

Teams couldn't schedule games without the NCAA ? They might not sanction it but games could occur. The NCAA owns nothing that would prevent those games. It's a governing body agreed upon by the schools involved.


I'm not trying to diminish the NCAA I'm simply saying that conferences and schools do have a degree of independence in certain areas. Tv contracts and championship games (providing a certain number of agreed upon schools ) are a couple of areas. And they are profitable areas. If those where meddled with, if they even could be legally, then it would be more trouble than it would be worth.

 

[Ronnie-]

We are getting Into other areas though. The NCAA will not decree, and the conferences that have them will not allow, those championship games to be done away with for a bs playoff game.


That much is simple. Our desires for a certain system be darned.

 

[The Insider]

I'm pretty sure the NCAA is the governing body of NCAA football. They could do whatever they wish,for that matter they already do.That's why we have the mess called BCS.

Actually the NCAA does not control the BCS. In fact the NCAA does not even reqonize the BCS champion as a national champion. So the BCS conference schools are essentially their own organization,

 

[Ronnie-]

Actually the NCAA does not control the BCS. In fact the NCAA does not even reqonize the BCS champion as a national champion. So the BCS conference schools are essentially their own organization,

Good point.

 

[Ronnie-]

As for you and I,we will just have to agree to disagree.I say it can work you say it can't.

My apologies. I did not see this post. I was not trying to push the issue with my posts after it was posted.


I am fine with agreeing to disagree and with you and I having differing opinions on the matter.

 

[Ronnie-]

Wow. Six out of the top ten bcs in the sec. Three from the west. Three from the east. That's damn good depth.

 

[yaz96]

I'd like to see a minimum of 8 and ultimately 16 teams in the tournament.

 

[salsadancer7]

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[Teehar]

My apologies. I did not see this post. I was not trying to push the issue with my posts after it was posted.


I am fine with agreeing to disagree and with you and I having differing opinions on the matter.

hehehe NP bro.No apology required. Just differences of opinion that's all.It is a great debate though.

Actually the NCAA does not control the BCS. In fact the NCAA does not even reqonize the BCS champion as a national champion. So the BCS conference schools are essentially their own organization

Somewhat true.The NCAA lets them do that.All I'm saying is that the NCAA hands out sanctions and can kill any football program at any given time.Would they?Probably not.Could they?Certainly.I'm just not a fan of the current system and want nothing more than a true playoff system that gives smaller schools at least a chance,instead of no chance at all.

 

[Jimbo]

Hmmm, IF the NCAA doesn't really control College Football, then Ohio State COULD actually play another team this post season and just not be ... whats the word, sanctioned ...

 

[whitewolf8214]

Bowl Subdivision Polls


AP Top 25

1.Oregon (45)
2.Kansas St. (14)
3.Notre Dame (1)
4.Alabama
5.Georgia
6.Ohio St.
7.Florida
8.LSU
9.Texas A&M
10.Florida St.
11.Clemson
12.South Carolina
13.Oklahoma
14.Stanford
15.Oregon St.
16.Nebraska
17.UCLA
18.Texas
19.Louisiana Tech
20.Louisville
21.USC
22.Rutgers
23.Texas Tech
23.Michigan
25.Kent St.
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View Complete PollSun Nov 11, 2012


USA Today

Oregon (44)
Kansas St. (14)
Notre Dame (1)
Georgia
Alabama
Florida St.
Florida
LSU
Clemson
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Oklahoma
Stanford
Nebraska
Texas
UCLA
Oregon St.
Louisville
Louisiana Tech
Rutgers
USC
Boise St.
Michigan
Oklahoma St.
Texas Tech
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View Complete PollSun Nov 11, 2012


Bowl Champ. Series

Kansas St.
Oregon
Notre Dame
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
LSU
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Florida St.
Clemson
Oklahoma
Stanford
Nebraska
Texas
Oregon St.
UCLA
USC
Louisville
Louisiana Tech
Michigan
Rutgers
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St.
Washington
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View Complete PollSun Nov 11, 2012 http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/polls

 

[mccoyrj]

Wow. Six out of the top ten bcs in the sec. Three from the west. Three from the east. That's damn good depth.

And if it weren't for them beating up on each other they could all be ranked higher...

Florida has played 4 of them. (3-1)
LSU has played 4 of them. (2-2)
USCe has played 3 of them (1-2)
A&M has played 3 of them. (1-2)
Alabama has played 2 of them. (1-1)
UGA has played 2 of them. (1-1)

 

[Derwin0]

I'm pretty sure the NCAA is the governing body of NCAA football. They could do whatever they wish,for that matter they already do.That's why we have the mess called BCS.

Actually they can't. The NCAA used to have a tight reign on television contracts, until Oklahoma & Georgia sued them. As a result, the NCAA has no control whatsoever, and as such the conferences control the contracts, and only because the schools assign them the rights.

Besides, to change the rules, the NCAA needs a good majority of the schools to vote on it. No way the schools vote the NCAA more power.

Btw, the BCS wasn't created by the NCAA, it was created by the 5 BCS conferences.