NCAA Football 2008-09 Season
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Other than Ohio State/Penn State, what's the second-biggest game on Saturday?
Tech-Kansas? Georgia- LSU?
Tech-Kansas? Georgia- LSU?
Those two are about the same as far as their impact on the standings, except for the ramifications of ending the undefeated hopes of the Red PaRaiders.
Have you heard me boasting at all about this game ?
NO.
I don't do that type of thing.
I certianly hope that the Ohio State game is NOT his crowning achievement, seeing, if they beat the Bucks, they may end up playing for the MNC, I would think that would be the crowning achievement.
So, if you haven't played a tough team yet and OSU won't be either, how do you expect tom stay at the top of the polls , not playing anyone.
Jimbo
Bring it FlyingJ! And by the way, our colors are scarlet & gray, not red and silver.
CAN I GET AN OOOOOO.......... HHHHHHHHH.......
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Jimbo
Huh? tOSU hasn't played Northwestern yet. Do you mean Minnesota? And if you are counting future opponents, then PSU gets Michigan St as well. And PSU played Wisconsin as well (if they count for tOSU, how can they not count for PSU?).
Oh, and it's worth noting: the "great opponent" that tOSU played in the non-conference (and USC is a very strong team, mind you) was beaten by a team that PSU throttled.
It's a little ironic in terms of schedule that PSU misses Northwestern and Minnesota this year -- they were both bad last year and suddenly good this year. That hurts PSU's strength of schedule but it's not something in their control.
Hmmm, those colors...what is it? Crimson and Cement, Cherry and Pearl
Pinkish and Charcoal?
I live right in the middle of the Rose and Lead.
I know Jimbo, you haven'y boasted about the game....cause......
You know damn well your boys are toast!!
Don't want to hear about the schedules, like anyone has any control of that 10 years ago. I know you guys played some real toughies like Troy and Ohio, damn lucky to get by them too. Offense looked real good against Purdue. Team is one dimensional, give it to Beanie or fake it to Beanie and then Prior looks to run. Okay, I guess that makes them 2 dimensional.
Michigan State was a pretender, you guys have played 1 team USC, and we don't need to hehash that one. As I said, it is how we win.
All in fun, looking for a great time Saturday Night!!
By the way, it is spirit week at my kids school this week with Home Coming and all that stuff. Monday was Pajama day, tomorrow is 80's day, today was dress like a GEEK day. The boy dressed up like Tressel, Nike Sweater vest, grey hair and all. Priceless!!
The only IIIII OOOOOO you guys are gonna get this week is a....
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No, I meant Northwestern. I'm looking at the remaining schedule and Northwestern is the only ranked team left on either OSU's or Penn State's schedule after Saturday.
Michigan State and Wisconsin don't count for you. Neither were ranked when you played them. (I realize you havn't played Michigan State yet, but since they dropped out of the polls last week, I didn't count them). When the Buckeyes played the Spartans, they were ranked #20. When you played Wisconsin on October 11th, they weren't ranked either. When the Buckeyes played the Badgers, they were ranked #18.
I'm basically looking at both our schedules and I see that OSU will have played 5 ranked opponents, one of whom was an out-of-conference game against then #1 USC and Penn State will only have played 2 ranked opponents, both in-conference games.
Well, shouldn't tOSU play them (and win) before they get any credit? What does it matter if a team plays a tougher schedule if it dosn't actually beat those teams? And who knows if Northwestern will be ranked by the time tOSU plays them anyway?
Um... okay. What a bizarre line of reasoning. You know that they are the same actual teams though, right? I mean, if the pollsters have a team overrated or underrated at the time of a game it doesn't actually mean the quality of the team rises and falls? PSU played the exact same Wisconsin team that tOSU did under the exact same situation (at night, in Madison) -- and blew them out. tOSU had to come from behind late to win. How in the world can you argue that tOSU's win was more significant than PSU's because of an external opinion poll?
Oh, and Wisconsin was ranked in one of the polls when PSU played them. Incidentally, just like Northwestern is ranked in only one poll now.
And who knows whether MSU will be ranked when PSU plays them. It certainly is quite possible, as they are still in the "others receiving votes category" and have only 2 losses to date.
But the out of conference game was a loss for tOSU. Playing a tougher schedule is only significant is a team actually wins those games. And that's just ignoring the silliness of counting ranked teams when you play them rather than just looking at how things end up at the end of the season (or at that particular moment in time). Minnesota and Northwestern are ranked right now, but who knows how things will end up by season's end.
To date, thanks to a surprising Minnesota and USC, tOSU has played a harder schedule than PSU. True. But to date, PSU is undefeated and tOSU is not. And PSU has looked better overall -- even against correspondingly weak opponents and against the common opponents -- than tOSU has. What that means about this weekend's game, I dunno.
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Congratulations on assembling a cupcake schedule. This is probably the reason why Penn St. is ranked #7 in the computer polls and OSU is ranked #5. And you don't consider the Buckeyes a "tough team"???!!!
Oh, incidentally, the computer rankings used for the BCS explicitely cannot use margin of victory by rule. While this is a nice effort to prevent running up the score, it also makes the computer polls less accurate in terms of actual measuiring team strength and predicting future results. If you look at Sagarin, for example, his "real" rankings, which use margin of victory and are considered a more accurate evaluation of team strength, have PSU at #3 and tOSU at #9.
Sagarin's "predictor" ratings have PSU favored by ~8 points this weekend FWIW.
And I personally don't care for measuring a teams strength on their margin of victory. A wins a win in my book. In the end, that's all that should matter.
Were you that confident about playing OSU during the first half of the Michigan game last week?
Sideshow or FlyingJ, can you answer a serious question for me....
I've seen a few Penn State games this year so far and noticed on each one that JoePa has been up in the coaching booth during the games. Is there a reason for this? I remember as early as last year JoePa still running up and down on the sidelines during the games. What gives?
I've seen a few Penn State games this year so far and noticed on each one that JoePa has been up in the coaching booth during the games. Is there a reason for this? I remember as early as last year JoePa still running up and down on the sidelines during the games. What gives?
Bad hip. Tried to do the sidelines last week but couldn't. Says he will try to be on the sidelines for this one. Doesn't want to have the surgery. Might actually be what makes him retire before he wants to.
I agree that it is all that matters. My point is that if one is going to cite computer rankings as an indicator of team strength than it makes sense to rely on computer rankings that have historical proven to be more accurate. And rankings that utilize margin of victory are more accurate.
EDIT: And FWIW I'm not predicting anything definitively about the game. It's pretty much a toss up in my mind depending a lot of which team shows up for either side. I do think that is PSU plays as it has all year and is relatively mistake free, they'll win, but that would not be something I'd expect based on past games at the Horseshoe. That said, I do like PSU's odds at breaking 10 points (finally) in Columbus.
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Brutus On Parade : Fundraising for Renovation of the William Oxley Thompson Memorial Library : the Ohio State University
