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This whole monkey @## operation is not only a waste of money but stupid. Looks like Kansas City stood its ground. I better keep my cool because this auction bologney gonna get me banned off here, thats just my opinion and I don't know everything either.
 
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moving on to Round 4
I can just see the more rounds this bull goes the better chance we lose stations. I mean you would think all these people involved in this mess would have figured all this out by now and done been finished with it. Call me right and/or wrong on this but I'd rather see the air waves more with our broadcasting than wireless services but I'm also interested in how this ASTC 3.0 will all come out in the end...
 
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This whole monkey @## operation is not only a waste of money but stupid. Looks like Kansas City stood its ground. I better keep my cool because this auction bologney gonna get me banned off here, thats just my opinion and I don't know everything either.

That's what I heard, too. None of the nets here participated.


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How many rounds its gonna go till the damn cow jumps over the moon. The damn wireless fools need to concede and call it quits.
Wrong on several levels.

The impetus to do the repack came from upper management (United States Congress) and was signed into federal law by the POTUS. It is a next step of their earlier efforts to promote wide availability of Internet access.

It is mostly that the "wireless fools" don't yet need the bandwidth that the forward auctions are failing.

Congratulations on your efforts to keep it all about you and your precious UHF to the exclusion of those who don't have affordable Internet access.
 
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Wrong on several levels.

The impetus to do the repack came from upper management (United States Congress) and was signed into federal law by the POTUS. It is a next step of their earlier efforts to promote wide availability of Internet access.

It is mostly that the "wireless fools" don't yet need the bandwidth that the forward auctions are failing.

Congratulations on your efforts to keep it all about you and your precious UHF to the exclusion of those who don't have affordable Internet access.

It's not going to be affordable as long as cellco's prohibit unlimited hotspots. There is no cellco I am aware of that allows you to use their service (legally) as an unlimited ISP for your home. Thinking that this will bring "affordable" broadband to people currently unserved is folly. Data is a cash cow for cellco's and I don't see that changing any time soon. So I'm with the previous poster on this one. Preserve wide access to free TV and force the cellco's to change their pricing structure through supply and demand.


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It's not going to be affordable as long as cellco's prohibit unlimited hotspots.
Asserting that everyone has a right to unlimited broadband fer cheap is a large portion of what's wrong with America.

Internet access is what people need versus unlimited broadband -- one of a number of things that the criminally self-righteous believe they are entitled to as a basic human right.
 
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Asserting that everyone has a right to unlimited broadband fer cheap is a large portion of what's wrong with America.

Internet access is what people need versus unlimited broadband -- one of a number of things that the criminally self-righteous believe they are entitled to as a basic human right.

Congress has already implemented and completed a program called "Broadband in rural America," back in 2009 (if memory serves) which Verizon participated in. This brought many new cell phone towers to rural areas, including mine. One of Verizon's MVNO's now has me as a customer as a result. However, this did nothing to help me gain "internet access." Neither will the incentive auction. I'm sorry, but I won't waste money on an ISP that doesn't provide unlimited data. I won't play into their cash cow strategy of overages and high fees. No one ever said unlimited was a "right." This isn't Europe. You said AFFORDABLE, and that's what my post was based on.
 
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Congress has already implemented and completed a program called "Broadband in rural America," back in 2009 (if memory serves) which Verizon participated in.
Rural Americans aren't the only group that are under-served.

That what "Broadband in Rural America" brought isn't the same thing as you thought was your unalienable right -- all the Internet you could possibly need -- is precisely what I was going on about.

Just as you have the right to live/move away from affordable broadband service, absence of unlimited broadband is one of the trade-offs. Nobody gets everything they want.
 
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Rural Americans aren't the only group that are under-served.

That what "Broadband in Rural America" brought isn't the same thing as you thought was your unalienable right -- all the Internet you could possibly need -- is precisely what I was going on about.

Just as you have the right to live/move away from affordable broadband service, absence of unlimited broadband is one of the trade-offs. Nobody gets everything they want.

I am getting one thing I want- putting you on my ignore list. Had enough of your angry, political rants on not just myself but others as well. Merry Christmas!


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This FCC system is going to crap they are wasting tax payer's money!:coco:p
This is a common problem with agencies headed by political appointees. They're charged with carrying out legislation with the chief executive's spin on it.

In the FCC's case, they also have to generate their own payroll in the process.
 
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Wrong on several levels.

The impetus to do the repack came from upper management (United States Congress) and was signed into federal law by the POTUS. It is a next step of their earlier efforts to promote wide availability of Internet access.

It is mostly that the "wireless fools" don't yet need the bandwidth that the forward auctions are failing.

Congratulations on your efforts to keep it all about you and your precious UHF to the exclusion of those who don't have affordable Internet access.
Who cares, your damn right its about saving my UHF, which now I'm good in my area anyways. If you can't afford internet it's not my fault, get a job. Why should we lose good nets and sub nets for afforable internet access... Your beginning to act like you need a pacifier in you mouth, bye
 
My 2 cents here this is all about tech not politics in my post. I would like to upgrade existing equipment from astc 1.0 to 3.0 make it backwards compatibility. so people can still use their existing tv's without internet. keep frequencies the same so people don't have to rescan their tv's. Trip have a good question here for you since the fcc couldn't go after c band to sell that off to the cell companies is that is why they are going after uhf?
 
Wouldnt it be cheaper and better to just launch or use a satellite and put all the local channels on it or pay Dish/Directv for use of their satellite and offer that to the public? Money raised in the auctions could go to Dish/Direct or the spectrum could be given to them in exchange for using their satellite to broadcast to the public. Would be pretty cool to have FTA tuner built into all the receivers and televisions. Just connect a satellite to the tv and voila.
 
My 2 cents here this is all about tech not politics in my post. I would like to upgrade existing equipment from astc 1.0 to 3.0 make it backwards compatibility. so people can still use their existing tv's without internet. keep frequencies the same so people don't have to rescan their tv's.

You're asking for the impossible. There's no way to have a backwards-compatible standard that makes the kinds of efficiency gains that make a change of standard worthwhile. Additionally, stations will be changing channel as a result of the incentive auction anyway, so eliminating rescans is pretty much impossible.

Trip have a good question here for you since the fcc couldn't go after c band to sell that off to the cell companies is that is why they are going after uhf?

C-band downlink is at 3.7-4.2 GHz, which is above the UHF band (300 MHz-3 GHz). The problem the incentive auction is trying to solve is the relative lack of lower UHF spectrum, like that used for UHF TV. There's really not that much else to reallocate in that part of the band besides TV.

Wouldnt it be cheaper and better to just launch or use a satellite and put all the local channels on it or pay Dish/Directv for use of their satellite and offer that to the public? Money raised in the auctions could go to Dish/Direct or the spectrum could be given to them in exchange for using their satellite to broadcast to the public. Would be pretty cool to have FTA tuner built into all the receivers and televisions. Just connect a satellite to the tv and voila.

OTA-exclusive users are about 15% of the market depending on which statistics you believe. 80% or more of OTA viewers use indoor antennas, usually located with the TV in question, meaning that only 3% have an outdoor or even attic antenna. Unless some laws of physics-defying indoor satellite dish has been invented that I'm not aware of, your proposal would kill free TV. People would hear they need a satellite dish and assume they have to go pay DirecTV or Dish and thus go get one of those services. Or they might live in north-facing apartments, condos where they don't own the roof, etc. and cannot use a satellite dish and would be required to pay for cable service. Most people would need professional installation of a new satellite dish, when they can currently pull an indoor antenna out of a box and set it up themselves.

That's leaving aside the billions of dollars in satellites, equipment change-outs, uplink facilities, fiber feeds, lawsuits, etc. It also ignores the disruption to contracts which allow for station X to be the exclusive affiliate of network Y in a DMA. (Because what stops you from tuning the network affiliate from one of four or five different markets served by your spot beam or neighbors?) The networks would likely flee the local stations in favor of national network service, killing the local affiliates entirely and probably killing free TV as we know it. OTA TV also does not have rain fade to the same extent that satellite does and is more likely to be received during emergency weather events.

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I would like to upgrade existing equipment from astc 1.0 to 3.0 make it backwards compatibility.
ATSC 3.0 will NOT be backwards compatible. The die is cast and has been submitted to the FCC for consideration.
so people can still use their existing tv's without internet.
ATSC 3.0 doesn't require Internet. Some programming may benefit from it but it isn't necessary.

As with the DTV transistion, the new standard can be adapted to most current televisions. It won't be free, but it won't demand buying a new TV (unless your current TV doesn't have an HDMI input).
keep frequencies the same so people don't have to rescan their tv's.
That wouldn't be possible if you're going to take advantage of packing more channels into the same bandwidth (one of the prime drivers behind coming up with a replacement standard).

With the exception of DIRECTV and their apparently hobbled guide system, rescanning shouldn't be all that terrifying as it is something all digital tuners do on their own. DXing will become even more difficult, but that's been going on for a while now.
 
Sorry if my fingers got heated up in the conversation and some of my immature language on here. I'm not the smartest individual on this ota and this buying of the airwaves deal. Yeah I might be selfish and want to save my lil 28 channels I can get uhf. I just hope we all can come out smiling when this is all over.

Now as for this ASTC 3.0 or ATSC 3.0 I'd like to know some more about it and the benefits coming to me and my uhf antenna, thanks
 
ATSC 3.0 will NOT be backwards compatible. The die is cast and has been submitted to the FCC for consideration.ATSC 3.0 doesn't require Internet. Some programming may benefit from it but it isn't necessary.

As with the DTV transistion, the new standard can be adapted to most current televisions. It won't be free, but it won't demand buying a new TV (unless your current TV doesn't have an HDMI input).That wouldn't be possible if you're going to take advantage of packing more channels into the same bandwidth (one of the prime drivers behind coming up with a replacement standard).

With the exception of DIRECTV and their apparently hobbled guide system, rescanning shouldn't be all that terrifying as it is something all digital tuners do on their own. DXing will become even more difficult, but that's been going on for a while now.
Well thats a good thing then, especially of I don't have to buy a new tv.
 
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