Forgot to add, that last night I moved off of G13 a nudge, and I actually increased the signal on g13 up to 77%. So back up I went, a nudge more. Blind scan. 268 tv and 10 radio - all scrambled though. OK, on 121 now (Thanks Iceberg) and so I went a half a nudge, still on 121, but saw I was only at 20%. SO, 1 more nudge - more like I blew on the dish, ok no more signal on 121, did a blind scan. Iceberg gave me a tip that I could just do a v scan, so I cancelled it out - saw call letters from a g10 station. Smiled, but didn't want to get too happy. Let it scan, and there they were! Took the little 5" b&w tv up with me, adjusted everything I could and got it peaked 53-60% (cloudy last night). So now I just need to secure some cables, shorten up one and a done for G10! Poor Iceberg...he devoted about 3 hours to my pm's last night. I sure don't know what I would have done without all the help! As for the cable run, I just used an existing cable that is buried for a second feed from my Dish Network that is unused.