How things have changed

Flex Pack is 67.99 and if I recall he has the Wally receiver that you can add a hard drive for free (after the one time $40 fee)
If so, definitely not a fair comparison, he is paying more for a lot less, considering the channels with YTTV is comparable to Dish America 120+, then you get the unlimited DVR, 3 streams ( like 3 boxes) and the better picture/sound quality and $3 less then what he pays.
 
If so, definitely not a fair comparison, he is paying more for a lot less, considering the channels with YTTV is comparable to Dish America 120+, then you get the unlimited DVR, 3 streams ( like 3 boxes) and the better picture/sound quality and $3 less then what he pays.
Just because you don't find it a fair competition, who cares???? Flex Pack is cheaper and allows you add what you want for some people. So if it works for someone, who cares?
 
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Just because you don't find it a fair competition, who cares???? Flex Pack is cheaper and allows you add what you want for some people. So if it works for someone, who cares?
a fair comparison/competition matters because you can't be like "I paid $1 for a fun sized snickers and you paid $.75 for a king size bar, but my fun-sized came in a holiday packaging so I'm happy with paying a little more."
 
Just because you don't find it a fair competition, who cares???? Flex Pack is cheaper and allows you add what you want for some people. So if it works for someone, who cares?
How is it cheaper, at $67.99 plus a Hopper 3, same price.

With YTTV, you would receive more channels, 3 boxes/DVR, better video/sound.

Definitely not a apples to apples comparison.

But still does not change my opinion that Paid Live TV sucks now, considering that the majority of new scripted shows are largely confined to the Networks, which has been cut back as well, or FX and AMC, all can be watched via streaming for a extremely less expensive price.
 
So if you had a product that you were paying $73 per month for and another product that you were paying $150 per month for you would be more upset if the $73 per month product went up 13.7% than if the $150 product went up 10% because the percentage of the price hike was smaller on the $150 product? Even though the $73 per month went up $10 and the $150 per month product went up $15? In this scenario the price difference between the two products actually increased instead of your claim that the price difference between the two is actually shrinking.
I'm saying, if I had a product that went up 13.7% in price, I'm likely to be at least as mad as if I had a product that went up 10%. I cancelled my Ring subscription this year over similar circumstances, even though it is still one of the most affordable options. I did a more DIY solution that doesn't come with an additional subscription instead. Many of the same problems that have plagued linear TV prices for years still exist. The ridiculous price increases are a major one, and they have spread to vMVPDs. They were a stop-gap at best.
 
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Streaming is just 2.9% behind Broadcast and Cable Channels added together.

Streaming as a viewing category leveled up again in December, according to Nielsen‘s monthly Gauge report, rising 9% over the previous month after a comparable gain in November.

Streaming outlets accounted for 43.3% of total watch time on TV sets, up from 35.9% in December 2023.

Netflix accounted for 8.5% of total viewing in December.

College and NFL football were the main drivers for broadcast and cable during the span, gaining a respective 17% and 29% over the previous month, so expect a major drop for both, when the seasons are concluded.


 
Great report-


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What is S&P Global Ratings' long-term view of the U.S. linear TV ecosystem?

We believe that linear TV's decline in the U.S. is irreversible, but that there is no immediate cliff. We expect the decline will be a steady one that will take years to reach its final conclusion.

Advertising, the other key revenue stream supporting linear TV, will decline more precipitously than affiliate fees as audience ratings are eroding quicker than the rate of cord-cutting. This trend is more acute for general entertainment networks, which are on pace for both double-digit audience declines and single-digit price cuts for ad inventory.

In our opinion, the path forward for the network TV business, whether part of a larger, diversified media company or spun off into a separate company, is to simply try to manage the pace of cash flow declines. We believe the companies only have limited ability to influence the rate of revenue declines. Programming original scripted content and sports are the most likely ways to draw audiences but most media companies have limited financial resources and would prefer to prioritize spending on content for their growing streaming services rather than for their declining linear TV networks.
 
I don't see the shift from linear TV slowing anytime soon, even older folks are now dropping linear TV services for streaming. The next big thing I can see happening are hotels offering broadcast stations from an antenna and a smart TV or box that you can login with your own credentials with the big chains making agreements with streaming providers to offer free trials as a way to hook guests into the services. It would save a ton of money and the guests would likely welcome the change.
 
I don't see the shift from linear TV slowing anytime soon, even older folks are now dropping linear TV services for streaming. The next big thing I can see happening are hotels offering broadcast stations from an antenna and a smart TV or box that you can login with your own credentials with the big chains making agreements with streaming providers to offer free trials as a way to hook guests into the services. It would save a ton of money and the guests would likely welcome the change.
LG might save us from the misery of hotel TVs
 
Wow, I just looked at the start of this thread and we still seem to be in the same place. Everyone has now effectively "picked" their TV poison, whether that means streaming and/or offair only, or a broadband "linear" service, or essentially doing nothing and remaining on cable/sat, but this is far from static. It would seem to me that those opting for streaming or services such as YTTV are savvy & choosy enough to jump around easily, whilst remaining cable/sat viewers are, more & more, less tech agile. But certainly not immobile, as the "drip, drip, drip" of life continuously peels them away as they encounter events that compel rethinking such as moving and pricing hikes, or simply age out of their homes altogether. It's the one category where there are virtually no new contestants below the age of 50. And as cable/sat #s continue to decline, so will the appeal of the service, and arguably of linear TV writ large. The norm of the near future is going to be broadband delivery, in whatever forms it assumes. In a longer term we will likely be looking at dropping of cable TV by cablers, decommissioning of satellite and even of broadcast.

I remember my dad asking me, back when I was doing C-band, "hasn't everybody already gotten (satellite) who want it?"
 
I remember my dad asking me, back when I was doing C-band, "hasn't everybody already gotten (satellite) who want it?"

I said that when we got out of the business in 2007, we were facing a lot of pressure from the cable companies offering the triple play packages and it was clear at that time internet was becoming more important to consumers than linear TV and streaming was coming into play.
 
I said that when we got out of the business in 2007, we were facing a lot of pressure from the cable companies offering the triple play packages and it was clear at that time internet was becoming more important to consumers than linear TV and streaming was coming into play.
That surprises me, both Dish and DirecTV continued to grow with subscribers until about 2014.

Then Dish had 14 Million, DirecTV, 22 Million.

Today, Dish has less than 6 Million, DirecTV, roughly 7 Million ( Satellite only, not including the streaming versions or Uverse, which brings it up to 9.7 Million).
 
That surprises me, both Dish and DirecTV continued to grow with subscribers until about 2014.

Then Dish had 14 Million, DirecTV, 22 Million.

Today, Dish has less than 6 Million, DirecTV, roughly 7 Million ( Satellite only, not including the streaming versions or Uverse, which brings it up to 9.7 Million).

By 2007 at least half the installs I did already had Dish or Direct and were switching to the other. New subscriber growth was really starting to slow around 2006 which is when we really started to see the impact of the triple play offers and people jumping providers for new sub discounts.
 
I got out in 2010 as it just became infeasible to continue given DiSH's campaigns against independent dealers. I didn't ever do DTV.
 
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