Hopper 3 terrible HD picture
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In his defense, he posted some pictures back earlier in the thread of what he was seeing (http://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/posts/3825438/), and the pq does look to be on the rough side...worse than anything I've seen on mine. Tons of suggestions and duplicate suggestions later, its still no telling what is really causing it, but he seems to have a valid point that the pq he has is bad, and not just that he's being a PQ snob.
I am not doing a good job at explaining the root cause.
Yes it is either a bug in the Dish Software or a bad board on the TV.
The TV and the Dish box must hand shake before the two can do full HDTV.
Many channels now do copy protection.
This is why only this one TV is having issues. My guess is the TV is bad, try an other TV or borrow one from a friend and test.
Tech detail below and also in google search. HDCP or HD copy protection. The Hoppy 3 enforces it better, the old Hopper had different software for it.
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https://www.digitalconnection.com/FAQ/HDTV_12.asp
Yes it is either a bug in the Dish Software or a bad board on the TV.
The TV and the Dish box must hand shake before the two can do full HDTV.
Many channels now do copy protection.
This is why only this one TV is having issues. My guess is the TV is bad, try an other TV or borrow one from a friend and test.
Tech detail below and also in google search. HDCP or HD copy protection. The Hoppy 3 enforces it better, the old Hopper had different software for it.
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https://www.digitalconnection.com/FAQ/HDTV_12.asp
Understood, but glabrecque continues to imply that the H3 is the cause of his problems. I believe that there is a wiring problem in his system somewhere between the dish and the H3. I lean toward the new LNB as being the culprit. Swapping H3's will not solve the problem.
Along the lines of poor PQ- while I don't have an H3 but a HWS that I installed a little over 3 weeks ago I would like to throw out something on PTAT and get your opinions as this would also affect the H3.. I went from a 722K to the HWS and as far as watching live programming I am seeing very little difference in PQ on my 75" TV. What is bothering me is watching shows that have been recorded using PTAT (which I have had turned on since installation). On shows that have really dim scenes and especially the background I am seeing alot of video compression macro blocking. This is something I had never seen with the 722K and recording individual episodes. My plan is to try and do a test of a PTAT recorded program with the same program that is individually recorded. This is tough to do with the networks because very few shows are repeated even on the weekends. I could do a comparison of something like "sleepy hollow" between PTAT and HULU but that really would not answer my question of PTAT or Individual recording..
Other shows that I record on other channels that are not PTAT do not exhibit the compression problems. I like Auto Hop but if the PQ is being degraded like i'm seeing then I may have to go back to individual timers.. I will look today and see if I can find a Network show that is going to be repeated after the initial viewing this coming week..
Any thoughts on PTAT compression vs individual recordings?
Gerry
Other shows that I record on other channels that are not PTAT do not exhibit the compression problems. I like Auto Hop but if the PQ is being degraded like i'm seeing then I may have to go back to individual timers.. I will look today and see if I can find a Network show that is going to be repeated after the initial viewing this coming week..
Any thoughts on PTAT compression vs individual recordings?
Gerry
Wiring connection or LNB problems would be my 1st suspects - obviously nothing inherently wrong with the H3 so I'd look at the feed chain.
If there is a steady, non-pixelated, non macro-blocked image, the odds of it being an LNB to H3 cabling issue are nil. If the data is there for a clean low-res picture, then everything is there for a clean HD picture, assuming it's tuned to an HD channel.
As ScottChez suggested, it is almost certainly an HDMI/HDCP negotiation issue, not a dish or HDMI wiring issue.
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Ok so got a new Samsung UBD-K8500 Ultra HD Blu Ray player tried it with 4k, blu ray and DVD and it has no issues connected to my TV on the same ports and same cables used by my Hopper 3 so shouldn't that finally help remove my TV and setup from the problem?
Not necessarily. Did you try hooking the Hopper 3 to a different television?
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He is saying that the picture IS pixelated and low-res. That is why I lean toward the other equipment that was installed being the real issue.
I really don't think it has anything to do with wiring, the LNB, Hub or fittings. This sounds more like and issue in communication between the TV and receiver. If it does the same exact thing with a different TV then it must be something in the receiver.
I have never seen an LNB or other part mess up PQ like the OP is stating except for a picture freezing up and pixelating.
I have never seen an LNB or other part mess up PQ like the OP is stating except for a picture freezing up and pixelating.
He claims that he did not have this problem prior to the H3 install which included the new Hybrid LNB and hub. If they have swapped the H3 and the problem continues shouldn't the LNB and hub be replaced?
I would agree with you but it has happened on 2 Hopper 3 boxes. I must be the HDCP or something between the TV and Hopper 3. But would that effect every TV in my house?
