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I'm giving up. I can not find that stupid satellite at all.

I'm going to save up and buy a nice little dish with a motor and pay someone to put it in, like I should have done to begin with. I knew I was in over my head when I started. But I had to be a hard(red) head and try.

It's way too hot out to stand around for hours and hours, swatting mosquitoes, looking for a stupid satellite. My head hurts from the heat, the heat index hit 102 today.

I'm calling it quits and setting a goal of buying a brand new one and have it put in. Let someone else put up with the headache.

Thanks guys..
 
I dont have, or have ever used a Birdog, so I have some operational Q's for anyone that does.
1- Does the meter HAVE to supply the voltage and polarity signals.
2-Can it be, or must it be used as a passive (non lnb powering) device?
3-If it is, or must be the active device then the voltage and control from any 'slaved' rx must be disabled in configuration correct, or it has a means of blocking it?

1 The Birdog meter will supply the voltages either 13 or 18 accordingly and you can even set the lnb power @ the meter to be off to be used as a pasive device.
2 It can but it does not have to be used that way. Most people just carry the meter to the Dish and test there without even connecting the coaxial that goes to the receiver. that is why you buy the meter in the first place, assemble the dish , install the bracket , instal the lnb, set all angles and then connect the meter to peak the dish. Then you run your coaxial(s) line to the receiver. enjoy tv.
3 It actually blocks DC on the connection to the receiver (it says output on the meter, the top one) but when you set LNB power OFF on the meter it allows power from the receiver to go to the LNB

To Anole's question: The meter can also send 22 Khz tones for different LO frecuencies BUT ONLY WHEN YOU USE THE CUSTOM CARRIER FEATURE. That feature is only available on the last version 4 and that meter says USB plus. Dee_Ann meters does not have that capability I beleive , it is Version only 2.5. But she still can use it when working with Universal LNB's and the solution is to UPDATE the birdog with the Universal SATS configurations. and I explain.

For a normal Ku LNB , the SAT option says KH Hispasat 30 or KV Hispasat 30 and that means that you use either option for the Horizontal or Vertical polarisations for Hispasat at 30W for the Ku Band. But if you are using Universal LNB's then you have to make sure you use the UH Hispasat 30 or UV Hispasat 30 options because that one will send the 22 khz tone for the universal LNB to select the proper band accordingly.

As reference :

UH Galaxy 27 129

U means Universal LNB to be used
H Horizontal 18 V polarisation
Galaxy 27 is Sat Name
129 is the orbital location 129W

K means Ku LNB
B means Circular Birds like DN or Bell TV.

After watching the photos I beleive the issue are the branches of the trees. Like I said DN signals are stroger so you will get them behind branches but not the case for your White Spring TV. I also overlooked the fact that the LNB was Universal otherwise I would have mentioned this when I looked at the picture of the birdog the OP posted at the begining.

I am a Telecomm Eng or at least in Cuba I can claim that however I have learnt most of this stuff by trial and error and reading a lot after graduation , well actually, after living in Canada lol. The only Dish you are allowed to have in your home in Cuba is the empty one on the dinner table because the full one even your own pet would still it and eat it. A cuban who owns a pet nowadays? , well that is another story!.
 
Dee_Ann

I can't believe you are about to give up! It looks like the only small fix left is to move the dish to a different spot, add a working Linear LNB, then program your meter to look for signal on White Springs channel frequency (i.e. select the right TP: 11964 2920 H 1/2) and aim the dish like your did to catch Ceil 2 DishNet sat with a Circular LNB, as they're both at 129W. That's it! Don't be disappointed though - it may not be the best channel out there to watch anyway, and there's nothing else on that sat.

When I was trying to setup my first dish, which happen to be motorized on top of it all, my impression was all the equipment I just bought wasn't working and out to be returned. Trying for hours, I couldn't find ANYTHING in the sky. The only thing I found - FTA to be unusually hard to crack target for a 1-st time DIY project. Almost giving up and looking for an installer, I then realized, most of them never installed a motorized dish though wouldn't admit that, so it would only be wasting a lot more time and money, if the installer goes through the same university with your equipment at hand charging you his tuition fee. On top, being adept in making things work, I simply couldn't agree to fail. Looked for the Root Cause, and it turned out, the dish was mounted in the wrong spot with most signals obstructed, plus I was searching signals from TPs that weren't emitting any at that time - so signal Q was always at 0. Could spend a lot more time aiming the dish - and still wouldn't get anywhere. Lucky me - I had the right LNB. LOL

But you already found several sats, so way ahead - why give up? You can put a motorized dish yourself - its the right step and easy after all you went through. Pickup the biggest dish you can handle - not less than 39", but better 1.2 m in Dia, otherwise later you won't be able to lock in many Linear sats' channels, especially of newer types like DVB-S2 and 8psk HD. Its a simple trade-off: more free channels with a bigger dish, because it gives stronger boost to weaker signals.The reason Circular sats are easier to catch, often having better pic quality and getting away with small dishes is next gen. equipment these Broadcasters use, and very strong commercial quality signal they emit for the money. And review your views about C-band. If you still think, a C-band dish looks ugly, look below what kind of dish farms some FTA fans built on their property.

If you decide to install a motor driven Ku-band dish, look through a detail and quite informative for a novice multi-section Tutorial Aiming a Motorized Dish.
 

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Let her rest a day or two. If you lose enough blood to tha giant mosquitoes it will change your mind about a lot of outdoor activities.
 
Let her rest a day or two. If you lose enough blood to tha giant mosquitoes it will change your mind about a lot of outdoor activities.
Yup, yall heard that saying Everything is bigger in Texas? Well it's true. I came home after Ike, my trusty 'guard dog' was under the porch whimpering like a whooped pup, and two of them suckers was totin' my tv out the front door......................or was that some of that bad batch of people from New Orleans.....hmmmm.............uh oh, Digiblur's gonna get me for that one........hehehehe
She'll be back. She wont let it go.
Now, she might be asking where to get some replacement equipment after she beats the dish to a fiberous pulp..........but she wont let it win.
Take a break Dee. Sometimes the best way to see something clearly is to quit looking at it for a while. Take a few deep breaths, get you some Deep Woods off, and make you a gallon of sun tea, or grab a 12 pk of your favorite lager and come back swinging. Like the guys said, we will still be here when you are ready for the next bout.
 
...or was that some of that bad batch of people from New Orleans.....hmmmm.............uh oh, Digiblur's gonna get me for that one........hehehehe

Nah... He's from the Baton Rouge area.

I'm from the New Orleans area :devil: ...

Dee, don't give up. You've got some really great dishes, which equals a great start on the hobby, and you seem to have an aptitude for this stuff :) ... Lots of people take weeks as newbies to get where you've gotten in a lot shorter time. It really is fun, but the summer heat takes a toll. I try to work at night, when its cooler (under a full moon for good light), so you know what the neighbors think of me. And the mosquitoes are always present...
 
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I had to take a few days and step away from all this. I feel like I'm drowning in quicksand, the harder I thrash around the worse it gets. You know?

I totally just stopped messing with it for a few days, it's so darn hot out. And the mosquitoes are so bad you need a bee keepers suit! They never spray for mosquitoes anymore. :(
I can't use OFF because it burns my skin really bad. Like spraying liquid fire on me.

But the heat is just too terrible to endure.

I have come to the conclusion that the birdog meter does not like the driceway dishes, at all. I put it on the one that WAS working on the RTV satellite and it does not acknowledge that there is anything there. Nothing. But I put the wire back on it and goes in the house and watch TV. Grrrrrrr.........

I tried all of the following settings to read the RTV satellite,

UV AMC-9 83
KV AMC-9 83
KH AMC-9 83
KH HNS AMC-9 83 (no idea what that is)

None of those settings on the meter show a satellite there but my TV sure does!

Now to make matters worse, I messed with that dish a little and the picture has gone to total poop. It breaks up into a checkboard constantly and often just freezes solid and won't unfreeze until I restart it. I was working fine before I messed with it and now I can't get it back right again. Oh I wish I had left it alone!

I also took some bleach and soap and scrubbed the dishes down so they are all shiney and new looking. They had mildew and bird poop all over them.

As for the White Springs satellite, still nothing with it.
Again, the birdog doesn't like that dish either. It will NOT show that it's seeing a satellite on that dish either and it's one almost identical to the other direcway dish.

I did take the end off, the LNB and with a bungee cord I put a different one on it and can find the dishnet 129 satellite. But do know this, the one I put on with the bungee cord does not fit right, not even close. So it's probably far from being lined up the right way.

The one I put on with a bungee cord is round and the one that belongs on it is squarish.

Here's the birdog settings I tried with that one.

BR Dishnet 129 (I can find this satellite with this setting)
UH Galaxy-27 129
KV Galaxy-27 129
KH Galaxy-27 129
KV G-27 Starband 129
KH G-27 Starband 129
UH Galaxy-27 129

So I am certain that that fancy La-de-da meter doesn't like the stuff I have.
Figures. It's all trashpile wonders anyway.

I'm just dumbfounded as to how it happened that I was able to find that RTV satellite ONCE and now I can't get it tuned in right again. I think it was a freak accident.

I had to take a break before my temper flared up and forced me to drag all this junk to the curb.

I wish I could find someone else that has one of these Fancy-Nancy meters that can confirm if they will work or not with a direcway satellite dish. :confused:

Soooooo frustrating.. I wish I had thought to do this in the winter. Cold weather sooo much agrees with me.
 
God always protect the innocent we used to say back in Cuba when playing mini-Golf and we were beaten by some rookie at his/her first game ever or at least gave us a hard time!, lol. Keep in mind the birdog will search for a particular carrier only every time you select a different SAT and also that depending wether your LNB is universal or standard you either use U or K starting selections. I am not familiar with the direcView setup so I can no help you further.
 
Dee_Ann

I'm not familiar with BirDog, but I think you're still missing the same 2 critical points:

a) as you were able to find Ceil 2 Circular Sat at 129W with good signal Q, your 2-nd LNB is most likely Circular. Hence, you can't find Galaxy 27 (previoulsy called Intelsat AM7 - check your meter) with it at 129W. You still need a Linear or Univesal LNB for that, and for Universal you'd need to select LO 10600 via the meter. It has nothing to do with a Direcway dish, but everything with LNB type. Try to read the LNB model on its back and search the web for its spec. May be you don't have more (working) Linear LNBs at home, but there are more at a nearby sat store, and you need a high quality low noize one. Reason (b) below also applies.

b) as you were able to watch AMC 9 at 83W on your TV, your LNB on that dish is Linear, and your receiver was tuned to the correct TP frequency. However, your meter wasn't, but instead was programmed to search for a default AMC 9 TP that might not emit signal anymore, so your meter shows nothing. Again it has little to do with the dish (assuming it's of sufficient size), but everything with how you program the meter. Look at your receiver's Channel Editor, what are the parameters of your target channel, and program its Freq., Signal Rate, Polarization and FEC into the meter. Read again the instructions from its manufacturer.

Before you approach aiming the dish next time, try to resolve both issues above - makes sence? May be you need to borrow a small TV from a neigbor to test outside with your receiver for now. If you look only for a "quick and easy fix", it may drain your strength fast giving nothing in return.
 
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Ok, tried it again. Sigh...

I messed with the RTV dish again and got back a good picture now.
dumb luck again.

I also put the birdog meter in the middle of the wire by putting a short wire from the dish to the meter and hooking the wire from the house to the meter.
It and in and out connectors on it. I read the instructions and it says you can do that.

So I go inside and see a perfect picture on my TV. Looks fantastic.
I go outside and the meter says nothing. It does not see the satellite and the silly thing is in the middle! It clicks faster and the numbers on the meter go up but it will never say "found" like it does on other satellites and thus it won't go into it's fine tuning mode where you can really adjust it just right. :(

So there's something in the meter that does not recognize the direcway dish, period.

The big mystery is why. I guess now I will have to build a special file just for those stupid dishes using the editor program that the birdog people sent me.
The instructions seem pretty straight forward but there's some things in it I don't understand yet.

I will read the instructions over and over until it sinks in. And more forum reading too. Sadly, I can't find anyone talking about using that meter with that dish. :(

I can find lots of forums out there but it's like they are all about hacking tv. I don't want that, it's of no use to me. Finding forums where people talk about legit satellites are hard to find.

And the few places I checked in town flipped out when I asked about watching free satellite. They told me there is no such thing and that is illegal. I know they were just trying to scare me into buying their stuff. Not one of them would talk to me about free satellite. Free = bad..... That's what people around here tell me.. :rolleyes:

Well, I'm still not giving up I guess. Just tired and frustrated. Maybe if I limit my time each day outside in the heat it won't get me down so much.

Thanks guys, y'all rock!
 
one thing at a time:

So there's something in the meter that does not recognize the direcway dish, period.
Well, the DirecWay dish and stock LNB are about as generic as they get.
The LNB is "Standard", with a local oscillator frequency (LO) of 10750mhz (or 10.75ghz)

Sorry that I don't know anything about the meter, either.
I'm, guessing it needs to be told a strong transponder to tune to, before it recognizes a satellite.
And it sounds as if you're following up on that theory.

I wonder, did you say what FTA receiver you were using?
Most of us don't have a fancy Birdog to use for tune up; we use the receiver.
Setting it up is the same problem: tell it a strong transponder, then tweak the dish slowly looking for a signal.
Does require taking the receiver and TV outside to the dish, so the Birdog does have that as a plus.
BUT, there are 100 ways to skin the cat, here.
If one way doesn't work, try another.

And by all means, do try another satellite, too!
Let's not get distracted 'cause you may not have a clear shot at some favorite bird.
Right now, you need to build experience and confidence, and finding ANY satellite with pretty much ANY programming would be a big plus!
Whitesprings is often a challenge, so move on for now!
Come back to it later - I'm sure it'll become easy with practice. - :up
 
I received a reply from the birdog people. :)

They suggested that perhaps the finder isn't locking on to the signal because it's set up sort of generic like. Or something like that.
Could you quote here exact full text of the e-mail, you got from the manufacturer?

I assume, the factory file sets Birdog to look for a default frequency (1-st TP on the sat TP List at that time) for each sat. If that TP no longer emits signal, the meter won't show anything, as there's no signal to receive. You need to re-program the meter to look for a different TP of the same sat - the TP assigned to the channel you want to receive.

P.S. Birdog doesn't know what kind of LNB its connected to, and what type of dish that LNB is mounted at - only you know that. If signal strength from that LNB and dish is sufficient for your old receiver, it most likely be enough for the meter as well. One lady on a different forum kept asking, what button to hit to fix a host of issues she experienced with a software package. She ignored all suggestings as they were too complex for her. Instead she kept posting about the same issues, until nobody responded anymore. Then she complained about the bad forum and stupid people around.
 
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Could you quote here exact full text of the e-mail, you got from the manufacturer?

I assume, the factory file sets Birdog to look for a default frequency (1-st TP on the sat TP List at that time) for each sat. If that TP no longer emits signal, the meter won't show anything, as there's no signal to receive. You need to re-program the meter to look for a different TP of the same sat - the TP assigned to the channel you want to receive.

P.S. Birdog doesn't know what kind of LNB its connected to, and what type of dish that LNB is mounted at - only you know that. If signal strength from that LNB and dish is sufficient for your old receiver, it most likely be enough for the meter as well. One lady on a different forum kept asking, what button to hit to fix a host of issues she experienced with a software package. She ignored all suggestings as they were too complex for her. Instead she kept posting about the same issues, until nobody responded anymore. Then she complained about the bad forum and stupid people around.


Oh oh.. I hope I don't follow in her footsteps! I promise to try not to.. :eek:

Ok, here's the email they sent me,

Hello Dee,

I have attached the BirDog programming software for you. The user guide I have
also attached (pdf) is for the European model but the software characteristics
are the same. Depending on which model of BirDog you have there is a custom
carrier feature onboard the latest USB models for testing selections on the fly.
If you are using your BirDog in a test bench environment the test function of
the SatEdit software is a very useful feature.

This software will enable you to build a custom file set for your BirDog meter.
Your BirDog can always be restored by loading the default file or making selections
from the Configure pick list (as this will overwrite the previous file selections).

Depending on the model you have if you are carrier hunting and if you selected
"Any" for the FEC you can use the onboard Constellation mode to reveal the FEC
value. The onboard Spectrum mode is also ideal for verifying the presence of
carriers.

Please keep this software for your personal use only.

The manual has lots of useful information, but if you have any questions
please do ask.

Rob.

Regards,

Robert Sydee
Technical Manager

And what you said makes sense to me, that it may be trying to find something that changed or is gone now. I can understand that. Like my TV now, it's looking for the old TV stations but they are gone. I press the scan option on the TV setup and it scans in a loop. It finds nothing because it's looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place. Right?

Thank you! :)
 
Well, the DirecWay dish and stock LNB are about as generic as they get.
The LNB is "Standard", with a local oscillator frequency (LO) of 10750mhz (or 10.75ghz)

Sorry that I don't know anything about the meter, either.
I'm, guessing it needs to be told a strong transponder to tune to, before it recognizes a satellite.
And it sounds as if you're following up on that theory.

I wonder, did you say what FTA receiver you were using?
Most of us don't have a fancy Birdog to use for tune up; we use the receiver.
Setting it up is the same problem: tell it a strong transponder, then tweak the dish slowly looking for a signal.
Does require taking the receiver and TV outside to the dish, so the Birdog does have that as a plus.
BUT, there are 100 ways to skin the cat, here.
If one way doesn't work, try another.

And by all means, do try another satellite, too!
Let's not get distracted 'cause you may not have a clear shot at some favorite bird.
Right now, you need to build experience and confidence, and finding ANY satellite with pretty much ANY programming would be a big plus!
Whitesprings is often a challenge, so move on for now!
Come back to it later - I'm sure it'll become easy with practice. - :up

The tuner is in a PC. It's a windows media center PC. There is another program, GBPVR that is for watching TV and other neat stuff. I didn't set it up, my ex did.
Taking all that outside isn't really what I would like to do. That's why I am thinking about that neat little box that does everything, even youtube. There's lots of fun stuff on youtube. Good for when it's raining.

I still think it makes more sense to have a single little dish that moves around so you can explore what all is up there rather than a bunch of separate ones that are so darn hard to setup.

And I would like to have just one tuner that tunes in anything and one remote control. I'm on a "junk reduction" drive around here. I want to get rid of as much junk as I can.

Thank you! :)
 
Hi Dee,
Glad to see you back. Yes the heat's been a bitch. Even too hot for the bloodsuckers, at least until almost dusk...lol
Counties west went back to a burn ban and I suspect we will be back there too very soon. Spring rains were a joke this year, and I bet the rice crops will pay the price again this year.
Lots of folks are sensitive to the repellant. You might try some of the 'Yard Guard' type products to control the work area. I've had very good luck with it when the grands are over to play in the pool.
The RTN tp is very slow to lock and is very picky about being pointed absolutely on target. Even when you get all of it right, sometimes the sig is just too weak to stay locked and you get freezing, pix'ing and 'legovision' blocks. Always note the relative signal strength of this TP when it's good and when it's not so you will know what to expect, because it does fluctuate.
I see you are still working with the PCI ( computer card) setup. The suggestion about taking a portable tv outside so you can see what the rx sees in real time is the most efficient way to tune a dish, but not so easy if you are using a comp card. I hate to say spend anything at this point with all the other bartering inventory you have, but 50-75 bucks on a STB from Craigslist or Fleabay would be a good investment, and your will likely continue to keep it in service when you upgrade to bigger and better ( and more expensive!) equipment.
The RTN signal is in serious competition with another stronger TP at a freq and SR that occasionally (frequently for some) overpowers the RTN one at the receiving end. Many are having issues with this problem.
I'm sorry I cant lend anything constructive to the problem/configuration your are having with your Birdog.
As noted the type of lnb, polarity, and configuration must all be correct or you wont see the desired result.
To recap-
There are two types of Ku band LNBs.
Linear and circular. They are very incompatable.
Circular polarity units are used for Dish Network and DirecTV broadcasts.
Linear polarity units are used for the True FTA the we discuss here on the board.
Linears come in several sub-configurations. For sake of clarity we are interested in on only two of them.
Standard - Using a LO (local oscillator) of 10750 Mhz (=10.750Ghz)
Universal - Using an LO of 10600 Mhz
(FYI side bar notes-There are types called bandstacked that use two LO values but are beyond the scope of this post. Circulars use 11250 Mhz)
A model or two exists that does both polarity outputs types, linear and circular, in one housing. It is not likely you have one of these.
As pointed out if your 'dog can 'see' the DN bird @ 129W (Ciel 2) you are seeing a circular polarized signal, likely with a circular lnb. If this is the case it (nor your rx) will see the linear (horizontal) signal from 129W (Galaxy 27) using the same LNB
Again as suggested, get whatever markings/model/id info etc from the LNBs you are trying to use, and goggle for that info or post it here and someone may be able to tell you exactly what you have and if it is the proper equipment. Pics work good too!
Polarity and polarity offset (skew) are probably the most troublesome and mis-understood aspects of aligning a linear dish/lnb setup.
Since you are having so much trouble, I think you need to 'expand' what you are seeking and get some celestial reference points. It will help you get a working knowledge of what this polarity biz is about.
For us 95W (Galaxy 3/C) serves as our true south sat. It is the highest in the sky from our locale (at the top of the arc for here) As our true south bird it also has zero skew offset. IOW, the polarity hitting the dish is top to bottom straight lines for vertical or left to right lines for horizontal signals. From this 'center point' in the sky moving to the east or west to tune other satellites, the lines of signal begin to slant diagonally as they hit the dish (but still remain perpendicular to each other) So the dish must be aligned to the new sats orbital position AND the LNB's orientation must be skewed (rotated on it's axis with the holder) to be aligned with that birds signals.
The signals from every sat are all the same from space, they have not changed. It is our relative position to that source that has changed. For example the folks at appx 123W 'under' Galaxy 18 would see it at the highest point, zero skew (true south) and would have to skew + or - for all the rest of the sats they want to see.
If you look at "The List" there is a link to proggy that generates a table based on the location info you give it that shows the various alignment info including the polarization offset in +/- degrees format from zero for a given bird from your location.
You really need an STB and portable TV (some guys use portable DVD players with a/v inputs)
You need a printed copy of a list of satellites with all the data to rx them IN HAND and as you conqour each use a highlighter/equiv. and means of making notes about that particular accomplishment.
You should practice on known strong and viewable line of sight (no obstructions) sats. Try tuning AMC2/AMC4 at 101W (Look at the list for specific TP/SR/polarity data). I think you will be VERY pleased with all of the signals available there.
As you move out from 95 to those east and west and get the hang of it, you should be able to 'predict' the next sat orbital location and it's skew based on the ones before and after it.
I'm still at a loss on the Birdog and what you need to do to verify configuration.
There many config values needed to properly tune a signal. LO, freq, symbol rate and polarity. If any of these are wrong, the signal cant be detected. I think you said you were able to access the Birdog via PC software and a serial port. Since you are still having function issues you should re-verify all these things and re-dl the configuration to the meter.
Now gather up everything, put on that sun visor and go feed the mosquitos.
I expect to hear some positive results when you report back.
HOO-RAH soldier.
( I am watching History Channel, Modern Marvels Deadliest Weapons right now):rolleyes:
 
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Dee_Ann

Moving forward, could you post here, looking with your Sat PC Card soft at RTV channel info, what TP frequency, signal rate, polarity and FEC that channel of 83W is broadcast at? Don't look at websites for that info, it can be obsolete. Learn to fully use your PC Card instead.

Apart from updating Birdog soft, read its Manual and try to use its onboard Spectrum mode to search for the whole signal spectrum while pointing at 83W.
 
PCI DVB is a pretty steep learning curve. I'm not sure she has ventured into all the places you and I would go in the SW to determine these parameters. A STB would suit her needs much better at this point in her place on the FTA curve in general, say a Coolsat 4,5 or 6k or similar, and can be had for chump change if you keep your eyes open. I've seen posts of guy picking them up on Fleabay for 40-50 bucks delivered.
Without grasping the concept, of AZ/El, declination, polarity/skew, etc it is difficult to learn 'what's next'. Learning what to do and how is one thing. Learning why it works opens all the doors to doing even more.
I agree, that much of the info isnt as up to the minute accurate as real time, but the list that Mike Kohl maintains is pretty close. The List here is essentially based on member contributions and observations, and if no one observes and reports, it doesnt get updated as frequently. Lyngsat is a good source as well, but there is lag time and mis information there as well. My point is that you must utilized all the sources and extrapolate what agrees and what doesnt, including reading reports in the FTA forum and asking questions if a specific tp is still up.
Regarding the RTN TP/SR values, it has been necessary for some to deviate from the published data to try to make the rx lock on the RTN signal before LEO-1 captures it and discriminates the RTN tp out.
Some have moved several mhz higher, and/or altered the SR away from published value to achieve receiption. Personally I've gone as far as 11740+/4500+ and still gotten lock on the RTN mux before LEO-1 clobbers it.
 
With all due respect to everyone involved in this topic, I own a birdog , the latest version 4 (it says USB Plus) and nothing beats the use of such equipment when it comes to pointing and peaking a Dish. You can even rotate the dish fast that if the EL angle is right it will find it , with the receiver you have to wait a few seconds per every move. No matter what Dish or which SAT , the birdog is way better than the receiver/tv solution. I am not saying that people should by a birdog as they are expensive and therefore better suited for professional installers who makes profit by speeding their installs. For hobbist and the likes like us a receiver/tv/friend solution is more than enough.

But in this case the OP has the birdog already. your unit version 2.5 BTW does not have the Spectrum feature although it has the Constellation feature.

I stand behind my first post indicating that the OP should first make sure that the software of the birdog is updated and I recommend her to follow Anoles suggestion on moving to find anothér bird if possible to familiarize and mostly to discard potential Line of Sight issue with White Springs (branches of trees as per her own pictures).

Other than that , keep trying you will make it.
 
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