hay someone has to fill the spots.
and no one knows more about football than i do! no coach no player i scored 4td's in one game for high school football. i'm famous in my own mind
i understand that salsa but before T.O. mcnabb had already produced great seasons. T.O was the icing on the cake. On Vick not having anyone like T.O. to throw to you don't need a star WR to be a successful qb. the example i posted of john elway proved that heavily. as i said ,when i can i'll post for you a second example of a great qb having success with average or less than average receivers.
He also had a very good WRs in Ed McCaffrey and Rod Smith. They may not have been HOF, but they were well knows THROUGHOUT the NFL as very good WRs. And a STUD running back in Terrell Davis. You need a great offensive line a good receivers...and THAT Elway had ALL his career at Denver.....and what did you consider Shannon Sharpe...an offensive tackle?!
So Elway argument is null and void....
ok. let me start with john elway.
with elway: superbowl appearances in the 80's 1986,87,89
1983-87 Steve Watson WR (undrafted free agent) 6,112 yds in 9 seasons. Not a great receiver much less a Hall of Famer. He was their best wr until 1987. Two superbowl appearances with him.
1985-95 Vance Johnson WR (2nd round draft pick) 5,695 yds and 37 TD's in 11 years! Descent at best numbers. 3 superbowl appearances with him.
These were their best wr's at the time. not that good.
Finally by 1994 they got receivers like anthony miller, big man shannon sharpe and rod smith to win 2 superbowls at the end of the 90's.
John Elway is one example of making it in the NFL and making 3 superbowl appearances with average receivers early in his career 86,87,89.
I'll give you two more examples later salsa
anyways we see eye to eye on other things so i'll just move on bud
See it as you like. numbers don't lie my friend
let me know when you want me to educate you a little on a game called football if you just argue for the sake of arguing than just ignore my posts for now on buddy. this going around in circles stuff is for children.In fact you sound a little like Boomer Esiason who thinks he knows more football than anyone else on this planet.
you'd be surprised on what i know about football so don't take shots at me. i got you the stats and you chose to ignore them. that's your choice. notice how no one else has argued my points on elway and what he did early in his career. your choosing to include his whole or most of his career. i showed you what he did with average receivers at the beginning of his career. you made a strong statement that no qb has ever done anything good without great receivers. i proved you wrong. deal with it. or do you need me to teach you about formations too? you do realize that the NFL isn't a video game do you?
No....YOU started by dropping the Elway name....I mentioned the weapons he had...YOU narrowed it down to 4 years...I mentioned the weapons he had in those years YOU decided to narrow it down to. I have used YOUR links to prove my point and you have yet to counter.
The receivers I mentioned might be "average" to YOU, but I am willing to bet every receiver the Dolphins has had for the last 4 years would LOVE to have those "average" numbers. The game has changed from those years to now. But you seem to be caught in some kind of time warp that thinks the players and the numbers then are just "average".
As far as no one disagreeing with you.....have you notice anyone disagreeing with me? Huh? No one is disagreeing because more than likely no one gives a rats ass.
followed by sabres too. good guy,solid member. another wise and good member, paul w. examples you should follow
