Here is the RAIDERS winning schedule for 2008!!!
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is russell playing? oh it doesn't matter
salsa, russell is gonna lose 10 pounds of neck fat after porter is through with him!
I picked Miami in my week 11 picks because there will be NO JaMarcus, NO McFadden, NO Jake Grove which = NO chance of winning. We were thin as it was with offense and WITH these guys being healthy.
I see a VERY similar game like the Carolina vs. Raiders. Raiders play tough D....have an occassional chance to score, only end up with a 2 or 3 field goals made and probably lose 17-9 or maybe even 20-10. IF those guys were all playing, then it would be a different story.I picked Miami in my week 11 picks because there will be NO JaMarcus, NO McFadden, NO Jake Grove which = NO chance of winning. We were thin as it was with offense and WITH these guys being healthy.
oh so you were going to pick the raiders if those guys were in? :haha
hell no!
just imagine they were playing. what would you respond with?you might beat us since cable is taking over the offensive play calls. (sarcastic mode on)
ok. let me start with john elway.
with elway: superbowl appearances in the 80's 1986,87,89
1983-87 Steve Watson WR (undrafted free agent) 6,112 yds in 9 seasons. Not a great receiver much less a Hall of Famer. He was their best wr until 1987. Two superbowl appearances with him.
1985-95 Vance Johnson WR (2nd round draft pick) 5,695 yds and 37 TD's in 11 years! Descent at best numbers. 3 superbowl appearances with him.
These were their best wr's at the time. not that good.
Finally by 1994 they got receivers like anthony miller, big man shannon sharpe and rod smith to win 2 superbowls at the end of the 90's.
John Elway is one example of making it in the NFL and making 3 superbowl appearances with average receivers early in his career 86,87,89.
I'll give you two more examples later salsa
i will have the 2nd example as soon as i can.
oh so you were going to pick the raiders if those guys were in? :haha
hell no!
you might beat us since cable is taking over the offensive play calls. (sarcastic mode on)
Yes....I DID think if they were healthy they would win. The last time the team was completely healthy at the IMPORTANT SPOTS was the Buffalo game. And we almost pull that off...the defense was tired in the 2nd half. The Raiders beat the hell out the Trent Edwards but that guy is tough....he kept coming back. I will take our defense over your O-line when healthy and your defense is much better than OUR O-line without a doubt. Your two headed running back tandem is better than ours, as well as your WR and QB. But THE MAIN X-Factor is the coaching.....the Dolphins coaching staff is well picked out and much more disciplined than ours.
your Raiders exposed the bills that day. they aren't who we thought they were as denny green would say.
i will have the 2nd example as soon as i can.
Michael Vick and Vince Young, were always given the excuse they didn't have any weapons. Seems to me those receivers on the Falcons and Titans are good with Ryan and Collins at quarterback.
michael vick is more suited to be a running back than a qb. when he tried to be a qb it didn't go well at all. i see vince young going down that same path.
Michael Vick was suited to be a QB....just not a pocket QB like everyone wanted him to be. When Donavan McNabb was the EXACT same way out of Syracuse. BUT at Philadelphia, they let him be himself AND made him a pocket passer GRADUALLY. NOW, he is more of a pocket passer than a running QB....and McNabb has been in the league now for 9 seasons.
vick had plenty of time to get it right and never could.at no moment did i specify pocket qb.you can throw it in and out of the pocket.he chose to do neither. he ran it way more than what he threw it. play the position correctly or don't play it at all. it's fine that you think he was suited to be a qb and i respect your opinion, but i don't think so. when he gets out of prison i'm sure someone will give him a second chance for qb or rb
click on the links
numbers Michael Vick
numbers Donovan McNabb
i don't see that comparison you made between the beginning of mcnabb's career and vicks. mcnabb was already putting great numbers in his first full season as a starter than vick. hell he put up similar or better numbers than vick without playing all 16 games as vick did. look at the numbers.
mcnabb was always a great qb since he began his nfl career. the numbers don't lie.
numbers Michael Vick
numbers Donovan McNabb
i don't see that comparison you made between the beginning of mcnabb's career and vicks. mcnabb was already putting great numbers in his first full season as a starter than vick. hell he put up similar or better numbers than vick without playing all 16 games as vick did. look at the numbers.
mcnabb was always a great qb since he began his nfl career. the numbers don't lie.
vick had plenty of time to get it right and never could.at no moment did i specify pocket qb.you can throw it in and out of the pocket.he chose to do neither. he ran it way more than what he threw it. play the position correctly or don't play it at all. it's fine that you think he was suited to be a qb and i respect your opinion, but i don't think so. when he gets out of prison i'm sure someone will give him a second chance for qb or rb
What is "play the position right or don't play it at all"?! This is the problem with Miami fans.....you saw Dan Marino, to me ONE of the greatest QB of all time...and you think he was the proto type QB and ALL molds have to be like him.
Look, he did not "CHOSE to do neither". Under Dan Reeve, who did THE CHOSING, he played very well because he let him improvise if need be. The same can be said about Randall Cunningham and Steve Young...these guys were athletes and under the right coach, they became great QBs. Now I am not saying Michael Vick was on his way to become a great QB....but he only had ONE coach that gave gime a little free rein. As far as running too much, he took what the defense gave him. As far as McNabbs and Vicks stats....you go look again...
The difference in QB rating is just 8 pct. points. Completion rating is separated by barely 5 points. McNabb has more yards and TD because he has 5 seasons on Vick. With that being said, McNabb has 34 INTs more than Vick.
Michael Vick Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com
Donovan McNabb Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com
And did you see your OWN link.....what, you don't think throwing 16 TDs and only 8 INTs in your 1st full season as a starter is good?!!
IN FACT, he had a BETTER QB rating than McNabb did when you compare their 1st years as starting QBs. And remember, in 2004, McNabb had Terrell Owens, who gave McNabb HIS BEST season statistically he has ever had. Vick has never had anyone like T.O. to throw to.What is "play the position right or don't play it at all"?! This is the problem with Miami fans.....you saw Dan Marino, to me ONE of the greatest QB of all time...and you think he was the proto type QB and ALL molds have to be like him.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm
i only use that measuring stick here in miami. not for the rest of the league. i watched more than marino. i was a fan of elway,jim kelly,joe montana and kosar.
4 different styles of qb playing. i think many of us know what a good qb should look like
i can agree with that. vick did play his best under reeves but it still wasn't good enough. people were wowed by his athleticism when he took off on his feet not by his passing game. as far as defenses he never showed enough patience to allow the play to develop.
qb rating is the stupidest stat i've ever seen. do you know how the math to that stat works? if you did you wouldn't be using that as your corner stone of your argument. so grab a calculator ,go look at the stats again
as far as the int's of course mcnabb has more. he threw more times for more yards.you made as you say a bold statement claiming that mcnabb and vick had similar starts. the numbers contradict your statement. as far as T.O, he came along like you said in 2004 after mcnabb proved to be a great qb.
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