wolfman said:Timmac-- The issue is why should I give them a $700 receiver in exchange for the $200 H-20 which I can get from Value Electronics for $199.99 and get a $200 rebate from D*. That let's me keep my old receiver which will still be good for quite a while. I really don't need a MPEG-4 at the present time since I have a OTA antenna to receive local HD channels. Besides what's D* going to do with the old receivers? I talked to a supervisor at D* today and he told me you only get one upgrade so since I have an HR10-250 I want to use it for that. Also according to him the upgrade is not totally free.