ESPN upsets some by hiring Brits to call World Cup

ESPN is using Martin Tyler. He's a fantastic English Premier League announcer for Fox Soccer Channel. The only thing better would have been to also use Ray Hudson, who does analysis on Gol TV for the Spanish Primera Division. He's hysterical.

Can you imagine the understated Tyler and the overstated Hudson on the same broadcast? Would be crazy.

Ray 'The Geordie Shakespeare' Hudson is an absolute parody but I can't stop laughing at some of his commentary. There were a few incidents were I thought David Villa should have considered a restraining order because Ray was just a little bit too in love.
 
For this year's draft, make it 3 DAYS!!!!

Rd. 1: Thurs., April 22, 7:30 p.m. ET
Rds. 2-3: Fri., April 23, 6 ET
Rds. 4-7: Sat., April 24, 10 a.m. ET
Radio City Music Hall, New York

I'll set my DVR :)

I didn't even watch it when I personally knew someone that was getting drafted. It was much easier to YouTube it
 
Ray 'The Geordie Shakespeare' Hudson is an absolute parody but I can't stop laughing at some of his commentary. There were a few incidents were I thought David Villa should have considered a restraining order because Ray was just a little bit too in love.

I had a Ray Hudson call on an old Tivo of a brilliant off-the-ball run by Deco (FC Barcelona at the time) that you had to hear to believe. He did not score on that run, but Barca eventually scored a minute later, and Hudson went wild. Unfortunately I had to trade that Tivo in...:(

I love listening to him analyze a game. He's priceless.

You need to change your avater...Rangers are best... :eek: :D


Sandra
 
I still prefer the spanish guys....every single call is a story...and the story just rolls out their mouth like music. And the near misses are almost as exciting as the goals themselves.
 
The Super Bowl is played every year and the World Cup is every 4 years. Your comparison is apples to oranges.

Here is the viewership worldwide for the 2006 World cup final.

260 million

Why Fifa's claim of one billion TV viewers was a quarter right - News & Comment, Football - The Independent

Here is the US viewership for the Super during that 4 year span leading up to the world cup.


Super Bowl 40 98 million
Super Bowl 39 86 million
Super Bowl 38 89 million
Super Bowl 37 88 million

361 million total

Dwarf? Ya OK.:rolleyes:

Umm, you forgot just a few things.......

The Champions League numbers-

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The competition attracts an extensive television audience, not just in Europe, but throughout the world. The matches are broadcast in over 70 countries with commentaries in more than 40 languages each year, and some matches can attract over 200 million TV audience, often considered as one of the most watched sports events on TV. With an estimated audience of 109 million people, the 2009 Champions League final surpassed that year's Super Bowl (106 million viewers) for the first time as the most-watched annual single sport event in the world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8490351.stm

the Europa Cup numbers, the Premier League viewership in Asia. And these are EVERY year. Then you have the Euro Cup every 4 years, etc., etc., etc.

You lose this argument every time. Your apples are rotten.

And I didn't even mention the Spanish, or South American leagues and their viewers....
 
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Your worldwide comment was in a different sentence than your ratings comment, hence my clarification of, "not in the US"

Besides, we know that soccer is the most popular sport in the world. But we also know it is the least popular major sport in the US. Isn't that the discussion we have been having all along? The debate is more over, why is this the case?

No, this thread is about commentators for the World Cup.
 
I'm just reciting everything soccer lovers have said for the last 2 decades. I don't care if people like soccer or not. It's like women's basketball. Not for everybody but fine for a few. What I don't like is the constant propaganda effort put out by soccer fans about how their sport is going to be the next big thing. Get over it, and just enjoy what you have.

What soccer lovers are you talking about?

Not one person in this thread or even in that article are espousing the Bullsh!t coming from your keyboard/mouth. Only you are espousing ridiculous propaganda. I do enjoy what I have, why do you even care? It must hit some nerve with you. Now, get over it and go back to your cave.....

And no, it's not like women's basketball, it's more like men's college basketball. "...fine for a few....." .....even in America.....
(Don't bring up the Final Four, that's only recently become a phenomenon, and only brought to prominence by gambling on the brackets. Otherwise, nobody cares.)
 
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What soccer lovers are you talking about?

Not one person in this thread or even in that article are espousing the Bullsh!t coming from your keyboard/mouth. Only you are espousing ridiculous propaganda. I do enjoy what I have, why do you even care? It must hit some nerve with you. Now, get over it and go back to your cave.....

And no, it's not like women's basketball, it's more like men's college basketball. "...fine for a few....." .....even in America.....
(Don't bring up the Final Four, that's only recently become a phenomenon, and only brought to prominence by gambling on the brackets. Otherwise, nobody cares.)
Unless you've been in a cave in Afghanistan for the last 30 years it's hard to have not heard the soccer media in this country say everything I listed.

And I know you didn't just slam college basketball. Again unless you've been in a cave for the last 30 years it's quite popular and this is not a recent development.

If you have been in a cave I apologize and say welcome home. You have a lot of catching up to do.
 
LOL, I don't particularly like futbol or American football, but it's fun watching you all argue about it.

Rugby is pretty cool though. I got my flame suit right here.
 
LOL, I don't particularly like futbol or American football, but it's fun watching you all argue about it.

Rugby is pretty cool though. I got my flame suit right here.

How dare you! :rant:

Coming in here and bringing up funny shaped balls into a round ball conversation!!

;)
 
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With an estimated audience of 109 million people, the 2009 Champions League final surpassed that year's Super Bowl (106 million viewers) for the first time as the most-watched annual single sport event in the world.

Which is more sad? That soccer's tiny North American cadre actually believes that? Or that it actually thinks that matters here in North America how many Swedes or Finns watch whatever? Or that they actually know so little about the world as to believe that people in godawful places drop their daily stuggle to survive to sit down in their La-Z-Boy and watch ESPN-Africa for a few hours?

Reality? Ratings, of the Nielsen type (themselves not totally accurate) are taken in western Europe, North America, Japan, and Australia-New Zealand. That is all. These numbers you will see are nothing more than somebody saying "everybody" in "everywhere" watched.

There is another world out there. You are lucky to live in this one, but do not insult those who live in sub-Saharan Africa, east Asia, Arabia and such by thinking they have leisure time to watch anything. Its the least you can do for the world.
 
Quite honestly, whether the announcers are American, British, or even Martian won't make a bit of difference in who watches or the numbers.

The small percentage of Americans that like Soccer with watch the World Cup irregardless, and the larger percentage of Americans that could care less about soccer will watch baseball or NASCAR this summer.

I was stuck many years listening to "Mr. Obvious" Madden do NFL. While I couldn't stand his commentary, I still watched the game.

If anything, this will be just another reason to justify the low ratings.

Soccer has never been, nor will ever be considered a major sport in the U.S.
Europe and Latin America is another thing. It will always be big there, and Football won't.
 
There is another world out there. You are lucky to live in this one, but do not insult those who live in sub-Saharan Africa, east Asia, Arabia and such by thinking they have leisure time to watch anything. Its the least you can do for the world.

Oh FFS....:rolleyes:

The CL is padding it's numbers on the backs of the downtrodden to beat the Superbowl. Oh the humanity

I could really care less if America embraces soccer or not. All I really care about is making sure it stays on the airwaves but even that is becoming less of an issue with the internet.
 
Umm, you forgot just a few things.......

The Champions League numbers-

UEFA Champions League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The competition attracts an extensive television audience, not just in Europe, but throughout the world. The matches are broadcast in over 70 countries with commentaries in more than 40 languages each year, and some matches can attract over 200 million TV audience, often considered as one of the most watched sports events on TV. With an estimated audience of 109 million people, the 2009 Champions League final surpassed that year's Super Bowl (106 million viewers) for the first time as the most-watched annual single sport event in the world. BBC Sport - Football - Champions League final tops Super Bowl for TV market

the Europa Cup numbers, the Premier League viewership in Asia. And these are EVERY year. Then you have the Euro Cup every 4 years, etc., etc., etc.

You lose this argument every time. Your apples are rotten.

And I didn't even mention the Spanish, or South American leagues and their viewers....

You ARE comparing apples and oranges because IF the World Cup played every year they would STILL out paced the Super Bowl in numbers because outside of North America....no one really gives a crap about the Super Bowl. Those that do watch....MOSTLY come from the US.

...so in recapping....Super Bowl...about 98 to 102 million a year....four year total...about 400 million. IF the World Cup was every 2 years....the would OUT DO the 4 years of Super Bowls.....EASILY... about OVER half a BILLION to barely 400 million.....

...so yes, it IS apples to oranges.....:rolleyes:
 
Which is more sad? That soccer's tiny North American cadre actually believes that? Or that it actually thinks that matters here in North America how many Swedes or Finns watch whatever? Or that they actually know so little about the world as to believe that people in godawful places drop their daily stuggle to survive to sit down in their La-Z-Boy and watch ESPN-Africa for a few hours?

Reality? Ratings, of the Nielsen type (themselves not totally accurate) are taken in western Europe, North America, Japan, and Australia-New Zealand. That is all. These numbers you will see are nothing more than somebody saying "everybody" in "everywhere" watched.

There is another world out there. You are lucky to live in this one, but do not insult those who live in sub-Saharan Africa, east Asia, Arabia and such by thinking they have leisure time to watch anything. Its the least you can do for the world.


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futures sport + entertainment - Report: The world's most watched TV sporting events of 2009

Soccer’s domination of global TV viewing is now complete

Last year marked a turning point in TV sports viewing trends. Until now, even-numbered years have been dominated by the FIFA World Cup and the UEFA European Championships, and also the IOC Summer and Winter Olympic Games. Odd-numbered years, lacking these quadrennial behemoths, have instead featured American Football at the top of the global viewing league table. No longer.

For the first time, the NFL Super Bowl has been overtaken by the UEFA Champions League Final as the world's most watched sporting event of the year. That is not because the NFL Super Bowl is falling in popularity. Far from it. Indeed it achieved record TV audience figures in 2009, both in the US and globally. However, the UEFA Champions League's audience figures are growing even faster.

Given previous years' reports highlighting the strength of the FIFA World Cup and UEFA European Championships, futures sport + entertainment predicts that the finals of these major soccer tournaments will be the number one ranked global TV viewing event every year for at least the next decade. The only event that is likely to challenge soccer's dominance is the Opening Ceremony of the IOC Summer Olympics. However, with the 2012 Games being held in London, and 2016 in Rio de Janeiro, the very large time zone differences with China and the rest of Asia-Pacific are likely to mitigate against a serious challenge to soccer's number one ranking. The most likely competition would instead come if the IOC were to award the 2020 Games to an Asian country, following on from the huge audiences delivered in Beijing in 2008.

Beyond the UEFA Champions League Final and the NFL Super Bowl at the top of the global league table, Formula One takes the bronze medal on the winner's podium, as it typically does in an odd-numbered year. However, in a change from the norm, the Brazilian Grand Prix was not the most watched Formula One race of 2009. That honour instead fell to Bahrain.


This is the introductory story of the latest ViewerTrack report from futures sport + entertainment. We have just published our seventh annual report on the world’s most watched TV sporting events.


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Soccer scores with Americans as the World Cup looms

This one's for you anders................... more from the "soccer media". I didn't even know there was such a thing....(there isn't)


Soccer scores with Americans as the World Cup looms

Soccer scores with Americans as the World Cup looms http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/football/03/09/team.usa.world.cup/index.html?npt=NP1
By Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN
March 18, 2010 12:02 p.m. EDT
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Experts say America's interest, talent in soccer grow as sport becomes more accessible
* U.S. national team opens sixth straight World Cup against England, Slovenia, Algeria
* ESPN plans blitzkrieg marketing campaign beginning in April, as U.S. ticket sales soar
* Team's best finish was 2002 World Cup quarterfinals after wins over Portugal, Mexico

(CNN) -- The United States hasn't caught soccer fever yet, but it's running a bit of a temperature.

While U.S. athletes rate among the best in many sports, Americans are rarely mentioned when talk turns to the world's soccer stars.

But many people, including agent Richard Motzkin, contend that the planet's most popular game will soon snap American ambivalence. They point to a steady upward arc in interest from 1986, when the U.S. last failed to qualify for the World Cup, to today, as the team prepares for a sixth straight finals bid.

When Motzkin made the decision to begin representing soccer players in 1995, the U.S. didn't have a competitive pro league, and Major League Soccer wouldn't kick off for another year.

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"Many people thought it was crazy and questioned what I was doing with my life," said Motzkin, who now represents some of the U.S. national team's biggest stars, including captain Landon Donovan and Freddy Adu.

Times were "challenging" at first, Motzkin said, but soccer was enjoying a popularity boost from the 1994 World Cup. Also, the domestic youth leagues had been swelling for years, as the Internet and expanded cable and satellite offerings made "the beautiful game" more accessible.

Simon Kuper, author of "Soccernomics" and sports columnist for British newspaper the Financial Times, said the nation's interest -- and talent pool -- grows with its exposure to top-flight soccer. Of the 56 Americans named as possible selections for the 2010 World Cup squad, 26 play abroad, seven of them in England's top league.

The Uganda-born Kuper recalled a time in sixth grade, circa 1981, when he joined a soccer team in Palo Alto, California. The team needed a name. Kuper suggested Arsenal, and was surprised no one was familiar with the English powerhouse.

"You just didn't know what the best soccer looked like, but if you're a top soccer player [today], you're probably watching a little bit of Manchester United or AC Milan every week," he said. "Eleven-year-olds who play soccer know exactly who Arsenal is."

American youngsters are even being sought out by top European clubs, including Chelsea, Manchester United and Everton, which are developing partnerships in the U.S.

Motzkin has enjoyed soccer's ascent. Three years ago he sold his agency to Wasserman Media Group, a marketing agency, and he's noticed dealings with clubs, agents, partners and sponsors becoming increasingly international.

"There's more of a reflection that it's a worldwide marketplace," he said.

Soccer isn't poised to take on the Super Bowl, Kuper said, but its top product rivals those of America's Big Four: the well-heeled NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL, whose lengthy seasons provide year-round entertainment.

In 2006, the World Cup final -- with 16.9 million Americans watching, five million of them the Spanish broadcast -- beat out deciding games of baseball's World Series (16.3 million) and basketball's NBA finals (15.7 million).

"Soccer is going to get a place at the top table," Kuper said, "but baseball, basketball and football aren't going to go anywhere."

Evidence that soccer is shedding its second-class citizenry may lie in the ticket sales for the World Cup in South Africa. Speaking on March 4, U.S. Soccer Federation spokesman Neil Buethe said at least 125,000 tickets had been sold stateside, more than in England or Brazil and second only to South Africa.

It's difficult to compare this year's ticket sales, Buethe said, because FIFA, world soccer's governing body, has changed how it sells them.

The federation had about 10,000 tickets allotted for the U.S. team's first-round games in the 2006 World Cup in Germany -- not enough to sate the 40,000 applicants but enough to top the combined American sales of the 2002, 1998 and 1990 World Cups combined, Buethe said.

"I think there's definitely been a noticeable change in the interest level, not only with fans but also with broadcasters and media in general," he said.

ESPN approached the U.S. Soccer Federation last year and shared its plan to pump the World Cup into American homes. The network aired a handful of World Cup games in the 1980s and none in 1990, but showed every game of the 1998 and 2006 tournaments live.

Americans can expect the same this year, as ESPN plans to put its muscle behind soccer like never before, said Seth Ader, the network's senior director of sports marketing.

The network already highlights top plays on "SportsCenter" and airs games from England's Premier League and Spain's La Liga, arguably the world's best domestic competitions. But the "tentacles" of ESPN's World Cup coverage will span platforms from programming to publishing, Ader said. It's a company priority.

"You will definitely feel the power of ESPN's machine," he said. "We're going to spend more money than we ever have before for World Cups. ... If you looked at any single event that we've produced on ESPN, this one will get more marketing support than any other."

To anyone doubting ESPN's ability to pique America's interest in sports it has shunned, Ader cites snowboarding, which he said would not be an Olympic event had the network not backed the X Games.

"We know this works. We know this sport is the biggest in the world," Ader said. "All we have to do is sort of channel that energy that exists in the rest of the world, that passion, and make it relevant to a U.S. audience."

The American team's opening match against England has the potential to be the most-watched soccer game in U.S. history, Ader said. It also helps that you don't have to be a soccer fan to enjoy the World Cup, much like you don't need to be a swimming fan to watch Michael Phelps.

Not that there won't be plenty of fans watching. The team has independent groups, including Sam's Army, boasting thousands of members.

The American Outlaws, a smaller outfit often seen sporting American-flag bandanas, began in 2007 as a group of buddies who held watch parties and traveled by the single busload to games, said President Korey Donahoo.

They now have chapters in Washington, Los Angeles and other cities. Their ranks have risen to 1,800 paying members, about 50 of whom will be traveling to South Africa.
We're going to spend more money than we ever have before for World Cups.
--ESPN's Seth Ader


"There's a groundswell. It's on a firm, firm foundation," Donahoo said. "I think if our U.S. team could improve on 2002, soccer could explode."

Eight years ago, the United States advanced to the quarterfinals of the World Cup for the first time, but 2006 saw the team fail to make it past the group stage, despite managing to draw with eventual champion Italy.

The U.S. side exhibited a similar dual personality in last year's Confederations Cup, losing badly to Brazil and Italy before toppling the African and European champions, Egypt and Spain, in back-to-back matches.

Goalkeeper Tim Howard said big wins give the team confidence, especially after big losses.

"That kind of gave us a confidence and belief that when things are down we can pick ourselves back up," he said.

Howard said he believes a team of the United States' caliber can advance out of a group with England, Slovenia and Algeria. It's difficult, however, to become a "force in the later stages," he conceded.

From a marketing perspective, ESPN does not expect to see the U.S. in the World Cup finals, Ader said. Indeed, some betting houses have 40-to-1 odds against it, but American soccer enthusiasts say the sport holds an important lesson for evolving fans: Success is not always qualified in victories.

"We're a nation who likes winners," said Motzkin, Howard's agent. "For those of us who understand and appreciate the sport, we understand it's a huge accomplishment to get out of our group. Anything other than that, it's gravy."




'50-Year Model'
The U.S. Soccer Federation says it hopes the sport enjoys the same growth it has seen over the last 25 years. Some landmarks:

1985: U.S. continues streak of missed World Cups
1988: Nation wins bid to host 1994 World Cup
1990: For first time since 1950, U.S. qualifies for World Cup, fails to win a game
1994: U.S. hosts World Cup, advances out of opening round for second time
1996: Major League Soccer opens inaugural season
1998: U.S. loses to Iran in winless World Cup effort
2002: U.S. knocks off archrival Mexico 2-0 to reach World Cup quarterfinal for the first time
2006: U.S. draws with eventual winner Italy in World Cup, but fails to advance to second round
2007: U.S. beats Mexico for third Gold Cup title in six years 2009: World No. 1 Spain falls to U.S. in Confederations Cup semifinal
 
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As pointed out the naive believe that someone in Zimbabwee has a relationship with sports the way you do is naive. Thus articles that tell us how many people there whatched whatever are worse than guesswork. At least guesswork has a basis.

As to the "sport of the next generation" spew. Three generations and counting. The same sort of articles can be found back before the NASL was Market rejected. Anybody can say anything.

Americans will never accept soccer. And soccer's tiny cadre of fans and their arrogant attitutde is a big part of it.
 

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