EchoStar/Dish raises doubts about 'ability to continue as a going concern'

[Bruce]

Seriously? Do you ever actually read any of the posts or do you just pick and choose to comment based on headlines.

I did, went back to right when I first posted the news, Nelson even posted the FCC will approve.

 

[AZ.]

More nonsensical hatred of corporations out of you.

Well this time you didnt call it political! LOl......Are corporations are to big, and to big to fail, that lets them control content and manipulate prices...Thats been proven over and over for 50 years!

 

[telstar_1]

It is very political when you put in statements like this-

Does not belong in a thread about Dish.

Maybe that doesn't, but I "took a chance" as well by signing up to do DiSH on promises from Ergen that he failed to live up to.

 

[nelson61]

Dish still needs a estimated $10 Billion to finish what they promised the FCC.

And, the FCC has just given Echostar what they need. MORE TIME and plenty of it.

And regarding the need to repay loans - the major reason Echostar does not have enough money to pay the bills.

Those loans, in effect, have made the debt owners partial owners of Echostar.

Like the old saying goes, When you owe the bank a 100 dollars you have a problem. When you owe the bank 10 billion dollars, the bank has a problem.

The money men can call their loans and recoup pennies on the dollar or stick it out for a number of years and have an excellent chance of getting all their money back.

And, as interest rates continue to fall, the cost of refinancing will become less onerous.

 

[Ray_Clum]

There have been so many people on X talking about how Musk talks about hating “Big Tech” and people commenting about an X Phone or a Tesla Phone, it wouldn’t surprise me if Musk comes in and scoops up the cellular network.

 

[Bruce]

There have been so many people on X talking about how Musk talks about hating “Big Tech” and people commenting about an X Phone or a Tesla Phone, it wouldn’t surprise me if Musk comes in and scoops up the cellular network.

Musk has never shown a interest in that.

Also this-

Recon Analytics founder and analyst Roger Entner told Mobile World LiveEchoStar cannot sell some of Dish Network’s spectrum to Verizon, AT&T or T-Mobile US until late 2026, due to a US Department of Justice agreement relating to the operator’s involvement in the acquisition of Sprint by T-Mobile.

EchoStar shuffles spectrum

EchoStar announced the formation of a new subsidiary for some of its wireless spectrum licences following a merger with Dish Network.

www.mobileworldlive.com

 

[telstar_1]

I am sure going to miss Dish when it's gone. The Hopper can't be beat!

Have 722, am hopper-sceptical. Did you have previous DiSH ViP DVR use to compare with hopper? Does it still auto-record and "auto-hop" the broadcast nets or was that lost to lawsuit? I remember when it first came out it created a huge kerfuffle with the nets over losing their commercials viewing, and DiSH was in none of their good graces from previously when they had activated distant nets for offair-available subs. It was at least as big of a blowup as with TiVO over allegation DiSH copied its DVR features.

 

[Pepper]

Have 722, am hopper-sceptical. Did you have previous DiSH ViP DVR use to compare with hopper? Does it still auto-record and "auto-hop" the broadcast nets or was that lost to lawsuit? I remember when it first came out it created a huge kerfuffle with the nets over losing their commercials viewing, and DiSH was in none of their good graces from previously when they had activated distant nets for offair-available subs. It was at least as big of a blowup as with TiVO over allegation DiSH copied its DVR features.

Prime Time Anytime (PTAT) and auto-hop are still alive and well. And if you could ever find enough things worth recording, you can record 16 things simultaneously from satellite plus two from OTA channels and it won't miss a beat.

I have had the following Dish DVRs: 7200 (Microsoft WebTV); 721 "PVR", 522, ViP622 and Hopper 3. I do not miss any of the older ones but the Hopper 3 is, as they say, "from my cold, dead hands."

 

[dishdude]

Have 722, am hopper-sceptical. Did you have previous DiSH ViP DVR use to compare with hopper? Does it still auto-record and "auto-hop" the broadcast nets or was that lost to lawsuit? I remember when it first came out it created a huge kerfuffle with the nets over losing their commercials viewing, and DiSH was in none of their good graces from previously when they had activated distant nets for offair-available subs. It was at least as big of a blowup as with TiVO over allegation DiSH copied its DVR features.

I went from a 722 to a Wally, wish I had done it sooner!

 

[MikeD-C05]

Musk has never shown a interest in that.

Also this-

Recon Analytics founder and analyst Roger Entner told Mobile World LiveEchoStar cannot sell some of Dish Network’s spectrum to Verizon, AT&T or T-Mobile US until late 2026, due to a US Department of Justice agreement relating to the operator’s involvement in the acquisition of Sprint by T-Mobile.

EchoStar shuffles spectrum

EchoStar announced the formation of a new subsidiary for some of its wireless spectrum licences following a merger with Dish Network.

www.mobileworldlive.com

Bruce can you translate to me what any of this means? I read it a couple of times and I still don't understand what they are doing to get the money they need to finish out their build out. Looks to me like they are shifting some of their spectrum to a LLC company to avoid losing it in a default.

 

[Bruce]

Bruce can you translate to me what any of this means? I read it a couple of times and I still don't understand what they are doing to get the money they need to finish out their build out. Looks to me like they are shifting some of their spectrum to a LLC company to avoid losing it in a default.

DoJ has basically said they cannot sell it to another cell phone provider, because they(Government) wish to increase competition.

But Boost, as the #4 Provider, with a tad more then 7 Million Subscribers ( had 9 Million when Dish took it over) is just not much competition, since the #3, AT&T, has about 115 Million subs.

Even if Dish gets their act together with the spectrum, starts selling more phones/service, the big 3 will offer a new promotion(s) and snuff that right out.

 

[nelson61]

Even if Dish gets their act together with the spectrum, starts selling more phones/service, the big 3 will offer a new promotion(s) and snuff that right out.

Could be, but I remember back when the analysts would say T-Mobile's grand plan did not have a chance in hell of succeeding and that Verizon and AT&T would crush them.
This did not work out so well for the 2 of them.

 

[Bruce]

Could be, but I remember back when the analysts would say T-Mobile's grand plan did not have a chance in hell of succeeding and that Verizon and AT&T would crush them.
This did not work out so well for the 2 of them.

Verizon has 156M subs to T-Mobile’s 125M in the United States, they are doing just fine.

 

[nelson61]

Verizon may be doing fine. BUT

T Mobile added 100 million customers in the past 10 years. Echostar has similar dreams for the future

 

[MikeD-C05]

DoJ has basically said they cannot sell it to another cell phone provider, because they(Government) wish to increase competition.

But Boost, as the #4 Provider, with a tad more then 7 Million Subscribers ( had 9 Million when Dish took it over) is just not much competition, since the #3, AT&T, has about 115 Million subs.

Even if Dish gets their act together with the spectrum, starts selling more phones/service, the big 3 will offer a new promotion(s) and snuff that right out.

So there is no future for DISH as a cell phone provider. That is what I got from that. So I said all along that trying to start another cell phone provider in this late day and age wasn't smart to me. Competition will snuff Boost out. I still don't see DISH getting any money to accomplish the 80% build out by the end of the year and I don't see how they finance their 4th quarter, since they don't have enough on hand. So once again it looks like Bankruptcy it is.

 

[nelson61]

I still don't see DISH getting any money to accomplish the 80% build out by the end of the year

The 80 percent build out is likely done and they will now be working on collecting proof certification data.

 

[Juan]

So there is no future for DISH as a cell phone provider. That is what I got from that. So I said all along that trying to start another cell phone provider in this late day and age wasn't smart to me. Competition will snuff Boost out. I still don't see DISH getting any money to accomplish the 80% build out by the end of the year and I don't see how they finance their 4th quarter, since they don't have enough on hand. So once again it looks like Bankruptcy it is.

Might be for a wireless internet provider

 

[Yespage]

Have 722, am hopper-sceptical. Did you have previous DiSH ViP DVR use to compare with hopper? Does it still auto-record and "auto-hop" the broadcast nets or was that lost to lawsuit? I remember when it first came out it created a huge kerfuffle with the nets over losing their commercials viewing, and DiSH was in none of their good graces from previously when they had activated distant nets for offair-available subs. It was at least as big of a blowup as with TiVO over allegation DiSH copied its DVR features.

I stuck around with the 722k for a looooong time. Eventually swapped to the Hopper 3 a year plus ago. Obviously the interface is several steps up, but the best part is the EHD is so much easier to go through! I loved the 722k, best receiver pound for pound, but the Hopper 3 the heavyweight champion. The DVR made recording the Olympics a piece of cake. Record everything with a hard drive that huge and tuners to spare! Obviously, that isn't quite as often an event to take advantage of, but it was real helpful.

 

[Yespage]

Verizon may be doing fine. BUT

T Mobile added 100 million customers in the past 10 years. Echostar has similar dreams for the future

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Customers or phones? Regardless, a solid number.

 

[telstar_1]

I stuck around with the 722k for a looooong time. Eventually swapped to the Hopper 3 a year plus ago. Obviously the interface is several steps up, but the best part is the EHD is so much easier to go through! I loved the 722k, best receiver pound for pound, but the Hopper 3 the heavyweight champion. The DVR made recording the Olympics a piece of cake. Record everything with a hard drive that huge and tuners to spare! Obviously, that isn't quite as often an event to take advantage of, but it was real helpful.

Does it require return communication with DiSH, like through phone line or wifi? Also heard that they're glitchy.