EchoStar/Dish raises doubts about 'ability to continue as a going concern'

[meStevo]

Just saw this and thought I would share it here...

A lot of folks keep thinking that IF DISH files for Bankruptcy, that there will be no more DISH. I keep trying to explain that Bankruptcy is not necessarily a bad thing. In many cases it is a smart business move.

So here is a note from Red Lobster which hopefully explains this better.

View attachment 171552

There we go... and now I am in the mood for Chedarbay Biscuits

The thing I can't get past, is what a viable pay TV service looks like, because we don't know. Regardless of their financials all traditional services are losing subs at an unsustainable rate. Red Lobster will attempt to retool and come out of bankruptcy with a plan to move forward in a measured fashion with a certain number of locations and with conservative menus tailored to meet their goals... but is in a far simpler position than Dish with an unproved (unwanted?) wireless network (with mandatory capex expenditures to retain it or lose everything invested thus far, or have those benchmarks past?) and a pay TV service with an unclear future.

Ideally, how do you see this playing out?

 

[GuyWhoMoves]

The thing I can't get past, is what a viable pay TV service looks like, because we don't know. Regardless of their financials all traditional services are losing subs at an unsustainable rate. Red Lobster will attempt to retool and come out of bankruptcy with a plan to move forward in a measured fashion with a certain number of locations and with conservative menus tailored to meet their goals... but is in a far simpler position than Dish with an unproved (unwanted?) wireless network (with mandatory capex expenditures to retain it or lose everything invested thus far, or have those benchmarks past?) and a pay TV service with an unclear future.

Ideally, how do you see this playing out?

To the victor goes the spoils

 

[MikeD-C05]

The towers are mainly done for most of the country. If I had to guess the issue is with the backhaul. People want to do a speedtest on their phones and see they are getting 600 meg down, not do a speedtest and see they are only getting 11 down.

The promise of 5G (from everyone) has not lived up to the hoopla. And in reality I am not really seeing any real difference between it and 4G.

Me either. I still prefer my home wifi to the speeds I get with 5G.

 

[Teehar]

To the victor goes the spoils

But whom is the victor?

 

[primestar31]

But whom is the victor?

Last man standing

 

[Jim5506]

But whom is the victor?

Victor is a WHO from Whoville.

 

[GuyWhoMoves]

Victor is a WHO from Whoville.

Whoville? I will have what ever that person is having.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Whoville? I will have what ever that person is having.

I think dinner is Roast Beast.

 

[GuyWhoMoves]

I think dinner is Roast Beast.

With?

 

[navychop]

Razzleberry dressing, of course!

 

[Bobby]

and a nice dragon ale to quench the thirst…

 

[HipKat]

The towers are mainly done for most of the country. If I had to guess the issue is with the backhaul. People want to do a speedtest on their phones and see they are getting 600 meg down, not do a speedtest and see they are only getting 11 down.

The promise of 5G (from everyone) has not lived up to the hoopla. And in reality I am not really seeing any real difference between it and 4G.

I keep my phone on 4G/LTE as preferred just for that reason and to avoid the 5G weak areas

 

[Juan]

The towers are mainly done for most of the country. If I had to guess the issue is with the backhaul. People want to do a speedtest on their phones and see they are getting 600 meg down, not do a speedtest and see they are only getting 11 down.

The promise of 5G (from everyone) has not lived up to the hoopla. And in reality I am not really seeing any real difference between it and 4G.

The real thing is called " ultra 5g " its only available in sports stadiums and colleges...fixed band 5g reusing Cband frequencies

 

[Jim5506]

You should go to Mexico where there is only 4GLTE and see the difference in download times and page refreshes.

 

[man00]

Just saw this and thought I would share it here...

A lot of folks keep thinking that IF DISH files for Bankruptcy, that there will be no more DISH. I keep trying to explain that Bankruptcy is not necessarily a bad thing. In many cases it is a smart business move.

So here is a note from Red Lobster which hopefully explains this better.

View attachment 171552

There we go... and now I am in the mood for Chedarbay Biscuits

I don't know how in the heck they could be in trouble, last time I ate there I left hungry and I could have filed for bankruptcy protection after paying the bill

 

[That American Girl]

I have pointed this out before, my step father is 78 this year, streams everything, always has the newest cell phone (knows how to use it also), computer, tablet, etc.

Age has nothing to do with it, it is just a issue with those who do not wish to learn, but that is usually not a age issue, those types of habits / tendencies are usually life long, they do not start when you hit 60 for example......

These are the same people who could program a damn vcr to record off of a certain channel at a certain time... which I could NEVER do... then turn around and say.."I can't do that (streaming), cause im old!"

Every 'old 90 year old little lady' that I've walked through setting up her Hopper to her wifi (super easy honestly), and then walk her thru the OnDemand library was thrilled!

And then much more open to trying out more features, etc.

 

[Ronnie-]

The towers are mainly done for most of the country. If I had to guess the issue is with the backhaul. People want to do a speedtest on their phones and see they are getting 600 meg down, not do a speedtest and see they are only getting 11 down.

The promise of 5G (from everyone) has not lived up to the hoopla. And in reality I am not really seeing any real difference between it and 4G.

I do think T-Mobile has nailed 5g more broadly and consistently than anyone else.

While I’ve seen faster 5g speeds with Verizon UW at 3 gigs, the T-Mobile regular 5g in our very small town is pretty fast. Definitely faster than lte.

 

[MitchDeerfield]

Just saw this and thought I would share it here...

A lot of folks keep thinking that IF DISH files for Bankruptcy, that there will be no more DISH. I keep trying to explain that Bankruptcy is not necessarily a bad thing. In many cases it is a smart business move.

So here is a note from Red Lobster which hopefully explains this better.

View attachment 171552

There we go... and now I am in the mood for Chedarbay Biscuits

The reason that Red Lobster went bankrupt was because of their Endless Shrimp promotions. As long as Charlie doesn't suddenly give out free shrimp or lobster to all subscribers, Dish will do fine.

Dish stock is up almost 50 percent in the last six months!

 

[dishdude]

The reason that Red Lobster went bankrupt was because of their Endless Shrimp promotions. As long as Charlie doesn't suddenly give out free shrimp or lobster to all subscribers, Dish will do fine.

Dish stock is up almost 50 percent in the last six months!

That's not why, venture capitalists came in and sold all their assets off to a holding company they controlled and leased it back to Red Lobster. If they go bankrupt they don't care, they still hold all the assets.

 

[AZ.]

That's not why, venture capitalists came in and sold all their assets off to a holding company they controlled and leased it back to Red Lobster. If they go bankrupt they don't care, they still hold all the assets.

They are doing it to hospitals, retirement homes and veterinarian offices! I just lost my vet, for that reason!