Dish Statement on Tivo PTO Action
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I am not a fan of the Tivo patents for a variety of reasons, however I do support the legal system and the governments attempt to protect an individuals/entities intellectual property through patents, trademarks and copyrights.
Did the courts get it wrong when they sided with Tivo? It's possible, but not likely. Was the USPTO wrong in granting Tivo the patents in question and upholding them during review? It's possible, but the possibility of these patents being vacated/voided are extremely slim, at best. Was EchoStar right to litigate this matter with Tivo in the courts? Absolutely! Did EchoStar do the right thing by wilfully violating a court order? They did not...and they should be penalized accordingly. Finally, I see Tivo's case against Verizon/AT&T as being very different than their case against EchoStar. To be honest, it's quite possible that Microsoft, Motorola and others will get dragged into this case.
Regarding Dish Network's statement or the USPTO's decision to dismissed Tivo's requet to cease a re-re-examination of its Time Warp patents, well...I see this as a non-issue and it will not impact Tivo's litigation with EchoStar/Dish Network or Verizon/AT&T for that matter.
Yes, innovation just like with VOOM.
The only thing E* is innovating these days is their courtroom tactics and spreading Ill-Will...that's why there are no takers for the T2200S in the Cable Community. Heck, I would buy/lease one.
To be honest, E* and Tivo should merge...they deserve one another.
Yes, innovation just like with VOOM.
The only thing E* is innovating these days is their courtroom tactics and spreading Ill-Will...that's why there are no takers for the T2200S in the Cable Community. Heck, I would buy/lease one.
To be honest, E* and Tivo should merge...they deserve one another.
Innovation ..showin 20-40 year old movie 2-3 times a DAY in endless loops
Yes, innovation just like with VOOM.
The only thing E* is innovating these days is their courtroom tactics and spreading Ill-Will...that's why there are no takers for the T2200S in the Cable Community. Heck, I would buy/lease one.
To be honest, E* and Tivo should merge...they deserve one another.
Problem with Voom wasn't Dish, it was viewers. When DirecTV launched a bunch of HD channels with no HD and put that up against the Voom lineup, people voted with their wallets.
And if you want the T2200S in the cable community, I suggest you talk to the cable community. Dish seems to have done their part. You honestly think the problem is that Dish refuses to sell the box to the cable community, after developing a box just for them?
The fact is, Dish is innovative. But some of them fall flat with customers, even though some might like said innovations, and thus have to go.
Whether E* willfully violated a court order is not answered yet because if the answer were a yes, the appeals court would not have stayed that new order, pending appeal.
I agree the denial of the petition to cease reexamination proceedings is not much an issue, but the PTO's initial rejection of the TiVo's software claims can be a real issue. Courts sometimes take judicial notice of the PTO's initial rejections as evidence in the patent litigations.
On 8/18/09 E* motioned the appeals court to take judicial notice of the PTO's initial rejection of the TiVo software claims, so far TiVo has yet responded in opposition, not yet.--Correction, just found out TiVo filed their response on 8/28/09.
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In reality the real problem with VOOM had nothing to do with content and everything to do with the affiliate agreement between both parties. The contract pretty much sealed VOOMs fate because both partners (yes, partners) did not act in good faith. The only question is whether E* legally terminated the agreement or not. If they are judged to have illegally terminated the agreement, they may owe VOOM up to a billion buckazoids. If not, VOOM may be liable for any injuries suffered by E* as a result of their non-compliance of the agreement. I think you're looking at a symptom and not the root-cause.
When in the world did I ever utter, imply or express anything of the sort? I did not! As I have stated many times in the past...Cable is hesitant to buy equipment from a competitor (Stike 1); the Cable cartel, to include Motorola and SA (Cisco), have a collusive relationship (Strike 2); and EchoStar has gone out of their way to "wear thin" their relationship with cable programmers, and their frequent trips to the courtroom doesn't bode well for potential business partners.
Very true...they make "the best" DVRs in the industry. Regardless of how we feel about their DVR technology, the truth is they were judged to have "stolen" Tivo's intellectual property. Now...as far as Dish Online, widgets, etc., they are far behind Tivo and even the FiOS for that matter. Of course, the Sling features are also pretty cool and so is some of the satellite technology. However, their marketing and packages are awful and that's what most consumers notice. To be honest, I don't like the Tivo patents any more than you do...but Karma is a bitch.
Ok, why are you quoting me for something rocky posted? That's copyright infringment and I'll see you in SatelliteGuys Court.Voom?
Ok, why are you quoting me for something rocky posted? That's copyright infringment and I'll see you in SatelliteGuys Court.
That was not intentional....the reply thing was doing something wierd...its throwing stray quote tags all over the place for whatever reason...
That's true, and Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot JFK because he was never found guilty in a Court of Law.
You can parse words if you wish, but the fact on record is that E* was indeed found to have willfully violated a court order. Whether they can have this verdict overturned in a rare appeal victory does not negate the fact they were judged to be in contempt.
Too funny!
Testing to see if it does it again...
Nothing to do
VOOM has nothing to do with equipment innovation. That was programming decision. I liked VOOM but it has nothing to do with this subject.
Yes, innovation just like with VOOM.
The only thing E* is innovating these days is their courtroom tactics and spreading Ill-Will...that's why there are no takers for the T2200S in the Cable Community. Heck, I would buy/lease one.
To be honest, E* and Tivo should merge...they deserve one another.
VOOM has nothing to do with equipment innovation. That was programming decision. I liked VOOM but it has nothing to do with this subject.
...You can parse words if you wish, but the fact on record is that E* was indeed found to have willfully violated a court order. Whether they can have this verdict overturned in a rare appeal victory does not negate the fact they were judged to be in contempt.
Except you were the one who were parsing the words:
Because if the appeals court decides E* did not violate the court order, then the answer to your above question would be the opposite, despite your later effort to turn it into a different question: "Was E* found to willfully violate and/or in contempt?" To this question the answer is yes, but your first question was not the same and may result in a different answer.
Your first question begged the question because that question assumed a fact that has no chance to be reversed, you realized that, so you parsed your words to modify your question, that is fine, but don't accuse me of an offense that only you are committing.
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