DISH Hopper coming at CES ?

The PIP on Hopper only is not really a negative vs a 622/722. You can't do PIP at all on the 622/722/722k if they are in Dual mode.

Good point! I forgot about that. I wonder if using PIP on a Hopper only leaves one additional tuner available? That would be my guess.

I also forgot to explicitly add to my list for the Hopper that you get satellite tuners 4-6, although I did mention it in the text that followed.
 
"BUT, with the 622/722 it CAN be done. With the Hopper, it can't "

Wrong! It has already been stated that the Hopper supports PIP, but the Joey does not.
 
The greatest guess I've seen is $10/mo for the Hopper/DVR fee (just like the 922), and $7/mo per Joey. Though I would hope as thin clients they would be priced less than what they are charging for a 211k...so maybe $5-6? That would be competitive with what D* is charging for their HR24 add-ons. Maybe the 1st Joey would be included no charge. Gawd, there I go being optimistic again. :rolleyes:

I've heard (strictly rumors) that the first joey will not have a monthly fee associated with it and that each joey would be $5/mo thereafter

I'm assuming the Hopper will be $10/mo. (no rumors about the Hopper, just a guess). Using that pricing a Hopper and 3 joeys would have the same monthly fees as a 722/211/211 or 722/222 config. The $10/mo fee for the Hopper is also in line with what DTV charges for DVR service with MRV.

As for upfront pricing, the Washington Post reported that the Hopper will be FREE to new customers agreeing to a two year programming agreement.
 
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Have there been any information about pricing on this yet? Even some great guessing?? :)

If my understanding is correct that this is to become their "standard install" rather than some super premium install, I think the pricing will be quite reasonable, probably the same as or less than a two ViP722 install. They've no doubt considered manufacturing, installation, maintenance and repair costs with an eye to "keeping it down." Installation certainly seems to be straightforward. And if they don't add on an MRV fee, they can probably push Dish as a low cost leader.

Think of it: Dish with a better whole house solution, improved BB options including discs by mail, TV everywhere, prime time anytime, a better EHD solution, lower package fees, more real national HD channels, and all for less than an almost equivalent setup by DirecTV. That's GOT to have appeal. There's a lot going for Dish now to bring in more customers. I daresay most households in this country have 3 or fewer TVs, maybe 2 or less. So a Hopper and one or two Joeys will likely be the most common equipment pkg.

No, I'm not smoking anything.
 
The other charge that might come into play is a MRV charge. I think that Directv has such a charge.

But they don't have the increased DVR fee. Whether Dish calls it a $6 DVR + $4 MRV, or a single $10 charge I think we end up at approx $10 either way. I wouldn't want to underestimate anything Dish might do with fees, but they will need to (or at least they should) stay in line with D*.
 
I think they stay with the $6 DVR fee. The reason for the $10 fee on the 922 is because it has Sling. The Hopper will not have sling built in so I see not need for them to charge extra. Currently Dish charges an extra $3 if the secondary receive has a DVR. I don't see there being any extra charges for the Joeys(on top of a $7 fee maybe) since the Joeys do not have hard drives. I'm thinking $5 per Joey and a $6 DVR fee.
 
I think they stay with the $6 DVR fee. The reason for the $10 fee on the 922 is because it has Sling. The Hopper will not have sling built in so I see not need for them to charge extra. Currently Dish charges an extra $3 if the secondary receive has a DVR. I don't see there being any extra charges for the Joeys(on top of a $7 fee maybe) since the Joeys do not have hard drives. I'm thinking $5 per Joey and a $6 DVR fee.

I think this makes a lot of sense. Another question I would have is this: Will Dish even know how many Joeys you have hooked up if you go out and buy them yourself? Will they need to be "activated" like a standard receiver? If so, I could see an "activation fee" being charged (one-time) for each Joey, but if you own it, no monthly fee. Am I dreaming?
 
I think this makes a lot of sense. Another question I would have is this: Will Dish even know how many Joeys you have hooked up if you go out and buy them yourself? Will they need to be "activated" like a standard receiver? If so, I could see an "activation fee" being charged (one-time) for each Joey, but if you own it, no monthly fee. Am I dreaming?

Interesting. I'm not sure about the activation part but I'm sure they'll be able to tell what you have hooked up by monitoring the Hopper.
 
Just saw this tech on a segment on G4 and Attack of the Show.
Did i hear right, 2000 hrs of recordings before April 1 and no pricing at CES or when he was talking to Jessica chobot

Guess us old users will have to wait to get a update to this new stuff :/
 
How much would you pay for a Joey outright? $50? $100?

At $5 per month ... you would not see payoff until 10 months to a year at least for $50. So ... to lease a Joey will be less up front costs ... but obviously more month to month.

I would love Dish to give a free Joey ... heck with my 722 I get a "free" second TV now ... so it would be nice if Dish could do the same with the first Joey.

Can't wait for confirmed costs for these toys.
 
If my understanding is correct that this is to become their "standard install" rather than some super premium install, I think the pricing will be quite reasonable, probably the same as or less than a two ViP722 install. They've no doubt considered manufacturing, installation, maintenance and repair costs with an eye to "keeping it down." Installation certainly seems to be straightforward. And if they don't add on an MRV fee, they can probably push Dish as a low cost leader.

Think of it: Dish with a better whole house solution, improved BB options including discs by mail, TV everywhere, prime time anytime, a better EHD solution, lower package fees, more real national HD channels, and all for less than an almost equivalent setup by DirecTV. That's GOT to have appeal. There's a lot going for Dish now to bring in more customers. I daresay most households in this country have 3 or fewer TVs, maybe 2 or less. So a Hopper and one or two Joeys will likely be the most common equipment pkg.

No, I'm not smoking anything.

I agree with you Navychop. With this Hopper/Joey, Dish has the potential to really put to use "The low cost leader in satellite TV" motto to good use. It's just going to depend on where they draw that pricing line.

Ghpr13:)
 
Nope. ;)

Stay Tuned!

I am gonna

wonder how rain/snow fade will be when you have a blackout due to those even if it's for a few seconds.

But trying to see how this much data is transferred as you could be recording all of this stuff and you could have 4 TVs watching recorded stuff at the same time?
That's a buttload of stuff to multitask
 
How much would you pay for a Joey outright? $50? $100?

At $5 per month ... you would not see payoff until 10 months to a year at least for $50. So ... to lease a Joey will be less up front costs ... but obviously more month to month.

I would love Dish to give a free Joey ... heck with my 722 I get a "free" second TV now ... so it would be nice if Dish could do the same with the first Joey.

Can't wait for confirmed costs for these toys.

I think the first Joey will be without added cost. But I suspect pricing will be maintained to keep the current situation: Not much benefit to owning over leasing. That's fine with me.

I might add, I do not currently plan to replace my two ViP 722s with Hopper/Joey. Even though extending Dish to a third TV has it's appeal. I can dual mode a receiver, if need be, today.
 

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