Exactly; and many people pool MLB.tv accounts as well. Doesn't mean that it's above the board, but it happens
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DISH has lost 420,000 subs so far this year
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Exactly; and many people pool MLB.tv accounts as well. Doesn't mean that it's above the board, but it happens
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I have no equipment fees on two of my pay-tv accounts. I have a Dish account with a single ViP211k and an external hard drive. I also have a Directv account with a single standard-def non-DVR receiver. (On the Directv account, I am grandfathered with no fee for the first receiver.)
All American Direct tried that. They went out of business.
Maybe they need to learn how to repair washing machines..............or cell phones.
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To be fair to Dish, the main reason DirecTV are gaining subs is ATT is switching Uverse subscribers to DirecTV, if not for that I really think DirecTV would be showing some big losses in subscribers also.
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I just left Dish this past week after 10yrs, and the primary reason was the fees.
I bought a TiVo with lifetime, along with two TiVo Minis. I have essentially the same feature set as my Hopper/Joey setup, with many more built in streaming options. If I want, I'm now able to move between my local fiber provider, cable, or OTA with no additional fees (besides the small fee for the cable card).
The guy offered me $40/mo off for a year to stay with Dish. That would have been close to what I needed to stay, but it was too late. I want to start paying off my own equipment now. It'll take about 2yrs to break even.
There are no extra fees from TiVo for the Minis. I should be able to buy a Joey and not incur an monthly fee for its use. How the heck is a Joey any different than viewing via the Dish Anywhere app? It's not, just a convenient way to get $7/mo per Joey out of me. I definitely let the guy who handled canceling my account know this was the reason I was canceling.
Also, I'm curious what other subscription businesses besides pay TV give discounts on service only to new subscribers? It makes loyal subscribers out to be fools to continually support the guys who jump ship every 2yrs. And I shouldn't have to beg daddy war bucks for a discount every few months.
The provider I switched to doesn't do contracts, deals, new subscriber discounts, installation fees, etc. Just the up front cost of programming.
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I bought a TiVo with lifetime, along with two TiVo Minis. I have essentially the same feature set as my Hopper/Joey setup, with many more built in streaming options. If I want, I'm now able to move between my local fiber provider, cable, or OTA with no additional fees (besides the small fee for the cable card).
The guy offered me $40/mo off for a year to stay with Dish. That would have been close to what I needed to stay, but it was too late. I want to start paying off my own equipment now. It'll take about 2yrs to break even.
There are no extra fees from TiVo for the Minis. I should be able to buy a Joey and not incur an monthly fee for its use. How the heck is a Joey any different than viewing via the Dish Anywhere app? It's not, just a convenient way to get $7/mo per Joey out of me. I definitely let the guy who handled canceling my account know this was the reason I was canceling.
Also, I'm curious what other subscription businesses besides pay TV give discounts on service only to new subscribers? It makes loyal subscribers out to be fools to continually support the guys who jump ship every 2yrs. And I shouldn't have to beg daddy war bucks for a discount every few months.
The provider I switched to doesn't do contracts, deals, new subscriber discounts, installation fees, etc. Just the up front cost of programming.
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TIRED of all the LOCAL CRAP every YEAR. I WISH they had to publish just how much they paid so we could see who the REAL winner was. ITS dang sure NOT the CUSTOMER. I am also about to that point to cut the CORD with DISH.
Dish isn't the only company with customers who are fed up with Local channel fees and disputes... Comcast is getting slammed with a lawsuit for increasing (exponentially) the "broadcast TV fee" year over year....
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...lsely-promising-low-prices-hiding-bogus-fees/
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If it weren't for the Flex/Smart/Welcome packs, I probably would have cut the cord this past year as well. So I opted to shave the cord for now instead of a full cut.
Sorry guys but I've been out of the loop here for a long time. Just wondering what this "mirroring fees" thing I keep seeing is about?
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Basically, the Joey fee. There should be no extra fee to use it (for an owned box), since it's just mirroring what is showing on the Hopper. With my Tivo, there are no extra fees for the Tivo Mini(s).
I decided to just look at other options from them, and got reminded of another sleezy thing Dish does... Once you go to mydish.com, it sets a cookie which redirects dish.com->mydish.com, and it's impossible to get to the new customer Dish site. There is no link on mydish.com to dish.com. You have to use a different browser, clear your cookies, or use private mode to get to dish.com.
Edit: I used one of those methods above to get to the dish.com site to check out the flex pack. My number 1 channel is NBCSN for F1 and IndyCar, and it looks like that channel is not available in the flex pack. Neither is BBC America, my wife's number 1 channel. Seems like an ok idea, but wouldn't have worked for us.
TiVo used to be a very good service. Are not suffering the Rovi metadata disaster? TCF is filled with hate posts along the few who are TiVo apologists. Also Rovi has killed, unintentionally(?), the MRV between S3's and higher TiVo DVR's, and this has a really long list of hate postings at the TCF, with a few apologists who are always looking to pounce on anyone who dares post something not positive about TiVo. The Rovi metadata mess has caused everyone to get forced upon them channels that are not part of our DMA, and, therefore, screw-up our ONEPASS timers, of which I have been a victim. It requires a lot of time for the subscriber (me) to fix as we have to deal with about 186 legitiamte in our DMA channels when dealing with the scads of out of DMA channels. BTW, are you having to deal with the TA's messing up your channels recordings?
I have TiVo's and Minis, and while it is good, there are some features NOT available that Joeys do provide. In fact, I often get a bit exasperated when I try to do something using my Mini that I can on the Joey, but realize that I can't do it on the Mini. And the sometimes buggy DA makes the ALWAYS buggy TiVo Stream (built-in or stand alone) a complete nightmare. Problems with OOH streaming, not all content with rights to stream becaue of flags, yes, recordings will transfer to mobile device, but then when you try to play them back in a place without internet service (the whole point of transferring recordings) you are prompted to "Sign In," a bug that keeps on giving as you can NOT sign in becase you are in a location with NO internet service.
I'll say TiVo was a great product before Rovi took it over even it I ranked it at #3 behind the Hopper and the Genie, but TiVo still sharing the top tier of best DVR's. However, since Rovi took it over, it has sadly been train wreck. The best we can hope for is Rovi can fix the metadat problems, which are SEVERE, and restore MRV between S3 and higher TiVo boxes.
I am glad it is a solution that works for you, but I felt compelled to state that it is not for everyone and requires cableTV (except the Roamio OTA or first gen Bolt, for which OTA ONLY mode can work, but NOT OTA and cable at the same time) and TiVo is now a MESS until Rovi fixes the cited problems. Also, while I've made back my investment in TiVo, those plunking down the massive hundreds, or even THOUSANDS of $$$ of investment in equipment (you are paying all your "fees" up front, AND you are charged FEES by the cable cos. for your CableCards and cost of those fees do vary from barely reasonable to very high, and no access to VOD via TiVo retail boxes, for that you need a cable DVR with all its fees, too), Rovi has made it clear they do not see TiVo hardware as their future, but connected devices that depend upon the cloud, not TiVo as we know it today, and they have never provided any statement letting its retail TiVo owners know that they can depend upon their TiVo boxes working for the "forseeable future." I would not be sure those who have invested in TiVo equpment today will have enough time to break even compared to annual subscriptions because Rovi could pull the rug from out from under we retail owners at any time, but proabably not for at least a year.
However, for some people like yourself, may feel the compromise is worth the savings and are happy. In that case, I am glad you have found what you prefer. But while others may also find TiVo a better fit, there is a lot that Rovi has ruined about TiVo such that it is not the great product it was before Rovi got its hands on it, so others need to do the research carefully before paying the hundreds or even thousands to equip your home with TiVo products. Unfortunately, many decades long owners and upgraders to new boxes of TiVo's have LEFT TiVo because their TiVo's can not be counted on to record shows because of the messed up Rovi metadata--the failure of that simple, primary DVR task was the deal breaker for many before all the other messed up features can be counted. If Rovi can fix just the EPG metadata mess AND the MRV mess, I would be happy and could recommend TiVo to others for whom it would otherwise be a best solution. As it is today, I would wait and see before jumping in the TiVo pool.
I really feel I should not reply, as this is getting a bit off into the weeds, but here goes...
Are you referring to the channel list when you first go through guided setup? If so, yes, there were the channels my antenna scan found, and a bunch of duplicates and channels not in my area. I spent all of 3 min just ticking the channels I got. I didn't think it was that big of deal. After I got my fiber service, the channel guide was setup by their guy, and it seemed to be fine. My fiber service provider uses Tivo boxes themselves, and I've not had any weird issues so far.
I've certainly noticed a number of things that are different, but none I consider huge deals. Some weirdness with the live tv button, a 30min pause buffer, etc.
I had a H1, and no iPad, so I never used any copy to device features. I don't plan on using that on Tivo. However, Tivo does allow me to copy recordings directly to my PC, so I can bypass my Hauppauge encoder (I know some shows/channels do not allow this).
From what I've seen, the MRV is likely a bug. Luckily, I only have a single Bolt, so it doesn't affect me at the moment.
Perhaps I have more faith than you do, I expect Tivo will be around for longer than a year. Especially given they provide the software and guide services to a number of cable companies, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Perhaps they'll stop selling retail boxes, though.
I don't feel there was any compromise.
Are you referring to the channel list when you first go through guided setup? If so, yes, there were the channels my antenna scan found, and a bunch of duplicates and channels not in my area. I spent all of 3 min just ticking the channels I got. I didn't think it was that big of deal. After I got my fiber service, the channel guide was setup by their guy, and it seemed to be fine. My fiber service provider uses Tivo boxes themselves, and I've not had any weird issues so far.
What features are missing on the Mini?
I've certainly noticed a number of things that are different, but none I consider huge deals. Some weirdness with the live tv button, a 30min pause buffer, etc.
I had a H1, and no iPad, so I never used any copy to device features. I don't plan on using that on Tivo. However, Tivo does allow me to copy recordings directly to my PC, so I can bypass my Hauppauge encoder (I know some shows/channels do not allow this).
From what I've seen, the MRV is likely a bug. Luckily, I only have a single Bolt, so it doesn't affect me at the moment.
Perhaps I have more faith than you do, I expect Tivo will be around for longer than a year. Especially given they provide the software and guide services to a number of cable companies, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Perhaps they'll stop selling retail boxes, though.
I don't feel there was any compromise.
Fees seem to be everywhere these days. No matter where you go. I also have one 211k and I pay no additional fees. People used to be satisfied with one simple TV set and a cable hook up or OTA antenna. No fees there. Today, the average subscriber wants a separate box for all of their TVs, with big DVRs and all. That all costs more. There is no free lunch. I am an older single guy and the one 211k receiver serves me just fine. Access to two tuners, OTA and Dish, I generally can record everything I want to the 500G HHD. I bought a Roku back in 2013, a simple Roku LT for $50. I added a $39 Chromecast to that. I have no fees there either. With hundreds of free channels that stream, I watch less on Dish these days. Even some diginets are streaming for free now like The Comet and Cozi TV. If you have high speed internet, look at a Roku. I have talked a lot of friends into going after the Roku. They have been very pleased. Both Dish & Direct have packages of channels on the Roku, if you want them. But the vast majority of what I get is free. More and more is available in HD too.
As far as Dish fees for equipment. If a person leases, then Dish can recoup their losses. But if a person buy the receiver(s) out right, like I did with the 211k, there should be no fees. But at least Dish does have a receiver that has no fees. Well... there was one to activate the DVR function for $40. I did not believe that to be fair after I bought the receiver out right, but it was a one time fee, so I put up with it.
All of the pay TV services will be taking more of a hit in the future as more and more cut the cable. I haven't as yet, as I do watch a fair amount on Dish, but down the road the time will be here for me to make some changes. Especially as the programmers continue to demand more money out of Dish. There will be that amount that people will refuse to pay. We are getting closer to that every year. Why pay $100 a month or more just for TV when there are so many new options.
As far as Dish fees for equipment. If a person leases, then Dish can recoup their losses. But if a person buy the receiver(s) out right, like I did with the 211k, there should be no fees. But at least Dish does have a receiver that has no fees. Well... there was one to activate the DVR function for $40. I did not believe that to be fair after I bought the receiver out right, but it was a one time fee, so I put up with it.
All of the pay TV services will be taking more of a hit in the future as more and more cut the cable. I haven't as yet, as I do watch a fair amount on Dish, but down the road the time will be here for me to make some changes. Especially as the programmers continue to demand more money out of Dish. There will be that amount that people will refuse to pay. We are getting closer to that every year. Why pay $100 a month or more just for TV when there are so many new options.
That's the one thing about Tivo that kept me away from it. Either pay the exorbitant monthly fee, or a lump sum lifetime fee, which is/was basically 2 years worth of fees upfront. Now there is not even a choice anymore. You pay $300-$400 for essentially a $150 box + another $150-$250 "all-in" fee. If I didn't like the service or the equipment, I'd be out all that money, or have to live with it for a year or two just to justify the cost, unless I was lucky enough to recoup some of the cost by reselling it.
