Its a calculated risk on both providers parts. They save so many millions of dollars not carrying the network, and figure they will loose x number of customers, where as x number of customers will not do anything.
DISH Drops AMC Networks (AMC Back on DISH channel 131)
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Just for reference, here are the top 20 basic cable channels from last year:
2011 Basic Cable Ratings: USA Still On Top, History & FX Up, Nick At Nite & TBS Down - Deadline.com
Here is a list of the top cable networks in total viewers and adults 18-49 for 2011 based on most current data:
Top 20 Cable Networks In Primetime: Total Viewers (in millions)/% difference from last year
1. USA 3.165 +0.3%
2. Disney Channel 2.647 +3%
3. ESPN 2.342 -2%
4. TNT 2.232 -0.8%
5. History 1.987 +21%
6. Fox News 1.883 -7%
7. TBS 1.614 -10%
8. A&E 1.561 +7%
9. FX 1.532 +21%
10. ABC Family 1.462 +1%
11. Nick At Nite 1.344 -22%
12. SyFy 1.330 +11%
13. Discovery 1.288 +2%
14. Adult Swim 1.237 N.A.
15. HGTV 1.205 -2%
16. MTV 1.189 +21%
17. AMC 1.182 +8%
18. Food Network 1.177 +3%
19. Comedy Central 1.006 +3%
20. Bravo 0.926 +6%
Top 20 Cable Networks In Primetime: Adults 18-49 Rating (Viewers In Millions)/% difference from last year
1. USA 1.1 (1.210) -3%
2. ESPN 1.0 (1.102) -4%
3. TNT 0.8 (.950) -3%
4. TBS 0.8 (.898) -11%
5. History 0.8 (.892) +18%
6. FX 0.8 (.855) +21%
7. MTV 0.7 (.770) +22%
8. A&E 0.7 (.764) +8%
9. Discovery 0.6 (.680) +1%
10. ABC Family 0.6 (.678) +4%
11. Comedy Central 0.6 (.641) +5%
12. Bravo 0.5 (.582) +8%
13. Food Network 0.5 (.571) +1%
13. Syfy 0.5 (.571) +6%
15. Adult Swim 0.5 (.569) N.A.
16. TruTV 0.5 (.543) +1%
17. Disney Channel 0.5 (.529) -5%
18. TLC 0.5 (.525) -4%
19. AMC 0.4 (.469) +10%
20. Lifetime 0.4 (.460) -10%
2011 Basic Cable Ratings: USA Still On Top, History & FX Up, Nick At Nite & TBS Down - Deadline.com
Here is a list of the top cable networks in total viewers and adults 18-49 for 2011 based on most current data:
Top 20 Cable Networks In Primetime: Total Viewers (in millions)/% difference from last year
1. USA 3.165 +0.3%
2. Disney Channel 2.647 +3%
3. ESPN 2.342 -2%
4. TNT 2.232 -0.8%
5. History 1.987 +21%
6. Fox News 1.883 -7%
7. TBS 1.614 -10%
8. A&E 1.561 +7%
9. FX 1.532 +21%
10. ABC Family 1.462 +1%
11. Nick At Nite 1.344 -22%
12. SyFy 1.330 +11%
13. Discovery 1.288 +2%
14. Adult Swim 1.237 N.A.
15. HGTV 1.205 -2%
16. MTV 1.189 +21%
17. AMC 1.182 +8%
18. Food Network 1.177 +3%
19. Comedy Central 1.006 +3%
20. Bravo 0.926 +6%
Top 20 Cable Networks In Primetime: Adults 18-49 Rating (Viewers In Millions)/% difference from last year
1. USA 1.1 (1.210) -3%
2. ESPN 1.0 (1.102) -4%
3. TNT 0.8 (.950) -3%
4. TBS 0.8 (.898) -11%
5. History 0.8 (.892) +18%
6. FX 0.8 (.855) +21%
7. MTV 0.7 (.770) +22%
8. A&E 0.7 (.764) +8%
9. Discovery 0.6 (.680) +1%
10. ABC Family 0.6 (.678) +4%
11. Comedy Central 0.6 (.641) +5%
12. Bravo 0.5 (.582) +8%
13. Food Network 0.5 (.571) +1%
13. Syfy 0.5 (.571) +6%
15. Adult Swim 0.5 (.569) N.A.
16. TruTV 0.5 (.543) +1%
17. Disney Channel 0.5 (.529) -5%
18. TLC 0.5 (.525) -4%
19. AMC 0.4 (.469) +10%
20. Lifetime 0.4 (.460) -10%
I wonder why they count Adult Swim? Its not a cable network... its a block of shows aired on Cartoon Network.
Nielson did that for ratings purposes back in 2005 to make the Adult Swim block's ratings look better.
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/6516.html
I was with the understanding that Viacom actually calls Nick/Nick @ Nite two timeshare channels. Is that the case?
Absolutely. In those two channels cases. It's funny how Disney does well with repeats of the same show over and over, but Nick and CN don't do as well.
Thank you for posting this. Has Dish put up a page like this? I didn't see one. Interesting.
I looked: it's worthless, just corpordrivel about AMC and how they're asking for too much money. Same shenanigans as with dish, just a different channel.
WOW, Any doubts about Dish being trigger happy on this are going out window. This may prove to be great for providers that are coming up for renewal with AMC in the future with two providers agreeing about the price of carriage. I do not know when all these agreements are coming but these two will set the market up or down.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. AMC provides television programming. Dish/ATT/DirecTV/Cable provide pay TV services.
Plus, a quick Google search of "TV providers" returns a lot of sites referring to Dish/ATT/DirecTV/Cable....
cosmo_kramer said:
Terminology aside. It does make the Dish AMC dispute more interesting.
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It will harden the resolve of both Dish and ATT in the near term. AMC was facing losing 10%-14% of their households with Dish, now add on another 3%-4% with UVerse. If they lose both, it will severely weaken their position in any future negotiations and almost certainly knock them out of their top 20 spot.
I for one won't drop DISH and move to Directv at $80+ a month for one channel. I'd end up losing a bunch of HD channels that Directv doesn't carry...BBC AMERICA, EPIX 1,2,3, G4, HISTORY iNTERNATIONAL, INDIE & RETROPLEX, INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY, NATGEOWILD, PIXL, TURNER CLASSIC MOVIES, etc. If DISH does drop AMC I think AMC will soon realize that they are the real loser.
It's a balancing act. As you point out you lose those channels in HD (and some totally) just for AMC. If AMC is a highly watched channel in your home and those aren't I guess you might switch. I see no guarantee AMC will survive with no interruption with other carriers either however, and of course there are those who have said they were switching to Uverse all because of AMC. For all we know Dish (and Uverse) will have come to agreements and Direct TV will be the one not carrying it..... Point is, and has been all along if you are blaming Dish for this and threatening to leave all over AMC, be prepared to threaten to leave the carrier you go to also.
I'll say it again as I have all along. The way Dish handled this is bush league, and no doubt spurred by the Voom law suit. But the essence of the dispute is what it would be with or without VOOM, it's cost and the mandate to carry all their channels. That being the case, the chance this will happen with other carriers certainly seems probable, unless AMC caves now.
I'll say it again as I have all along. The way Dish handled this is bush league, and no doubt spurred by the Voom law suit. But the essence of the dispute is what it would be with or without VOOM, it's cost and the mandate to carry all their channels. That being the case, the chance this will happen with other carriers certainly seems probable, unless AMC caves now.
$80/month total for DirecTV service, or $80 more a month for DirecTV than you are paying for Dish?
