Dish 1000 Coming Soon

[Scott Greczkowski]

I was out of the office this afternoon but just got in and got a message saying that the FCC has given permission for Dish Network to move Echostar 5 to the 129 degree location.

I am also told that Dish has been waiting for this for awhile and as soon as the bird is in place they plan on starting testing of the new Dish 1000 Antenna.

You first saw the Dish 1000 here at SatelliteGuys.US with our exclusive coverage of Team Summit 2005.

Should be cool!

 

[dfergie]

Oh Jeez... another addition to my dish farm...

 

[chastulsa]

This is great news! I will replace my D500 and no more stupid wings! Finally, CBSHD and VOOM without "accidentally" destroying my neighbors tree!

 

[MikeD-C05]

I wonder if the dish 1000 will work like the dishpro plus lnbs and use seperators to run one cable into 2? I just upgraded to a dishpro plus twin and I am using it with 2 942s. On another note , I wonder if I can use the existing dishpro plus twin and repoint the dual sat dish pointed at 61.5 toward 129 and then I wouldn't need a dish 1000?

 

[BFG]

Yes, you'd be able to swing your 61.5 dish over to 129 without needing a dish 1000

The Dish 1000 is basically a larger dish, an arm with a "w" bracket that can take a whole bunch of configurations.

the most common config will be a dish pro plus twin and a dish pro dual/single

 

[JIGGIEFLY]

Will the dish 1000 replace the superdish i have on 110/119/121 and i also have voom on a dish 500 at 61.5?

 

[BFG]

the dish 1000 that we've seen does not incorporate either superdish configuration. It's only meant to pick up 3 DBS satellites the 110,119,129

Now it may be possible to pick up 129 on the side of a 121 superdish since 121 is the focal point, but I haven't seen a design for that.

And unless you build your own satellite arc that spans over 90 degrees you'll never be able to get 61.5 or 148 on a single dish with all the others


I personally think that the 129 slot is just another part of their single dish solution they have to implement for local channels. 129 doesn't have a good conus signal and the satellite map they showed at team summit planned to keep all HD services conus at 110/119, but then again that map didn't even have 129 on it

 

[JIGGIEFLY]

ya i figured that 61.5 would'nt get in the mix and i can see were 110/119/121/129 might work on a superdish or a dish 1000 thanks BFG

 

[mdonnelly]

Is there a DishPro Plus LNB in the Dish 1000? Can't they make an internal DPP switch to accomodate the 3 sats?

 

[Stargazer]

So some people may have to have a second dish in order to get 129? Maybe this is a good reason in itself to make this a locals market dish.

 

[MikeD-C05]

Yes, you'd be able to swing your 61.5 dish over to 129 without needing a dish 1000

The Dish 1000 is basically a larger dish, an arm with a "w" bracket that can take a whole bunch of configurations.

the most common config will be a dish pro plus twin and a dish pro dual/single

That is great. I really don't want to spend more money on another dish since I just added a side sat dish for 61.5 in May.

 

[kavula]

So some people may have to have a second dish in order to get 129? Maybe this is a good reason in itself to make this a locals market dish.

Yeah, but if 129 just does locals - like 105 and 121 - then this new dish would just be a third model of SuperDish. If 129 is supposed to create a "Dish 1000" then I bet E* has national programming plans for it. If this were true, then I would think they need to design 105/110/119/129, 110/119/121/129, and 110/119/129 dishes.

 

[Stargazer]

So perhaps we would end up getting a new lnbf adapter kit and a new DPP-44 switch for those of us in the SuperDish locals market.

 

[James Long]

So some people may have to have a second dish in order to get 129? Maybe this is a good reason in itself to make this a locals market dish.

The more I look at this the more I believe that it will be a locals only satellite location. But E* tends to do odd things, and calling it the Dish 1000 makes me think that they expect to offer 1000 channels on that dish.

If you think about it, a Dish 300 picks up one satellite ... which is 21 TPs at 119, 29 at 110, 32 at 148 and 17+ at 61.5 . 300 channels would take 25 TPs (if packed like they do today) so a single sat dish could be considered a 300 channel dish. (Even though E* doesn't offer 300 channels to any one subscriber from one satellite location.)

A Dish 500 picks up two satellites - specifically 110 and 119 which have a total of 50 transponders. Today if all the transponders were ConUS 50 transponders could deliver 600 channels - but the numbering is old enough that 10 channels per TP was more common and a Dish 500 could be considered a 500 channel dish.

So now we have a Dish 1000. Will it deliver 1000 channels to any individual E* customer? No. Even if E* used ALL of 129 they would fall short of the 1000 mark. (Until MPEG4/8PSK.) I believe they just picked a magic number - not something that should be used as the basis of a thesis on all future use.

With MPEG4/8PSK eventually a Dish 300 could deliver over 1500 channels, a Dish 500 could deliver up to 2400 channels and the new Dish 1000 could deliver nearly 3000. (With 50% usage of 129 plus 110-119.) And that is not counting the utility of spotbeam use.

JL

 

[OoTLink]

3000 channels of what? I'd hate to see the half dozen major media companies try and make 2000 of those theirs :\ Can you imagine the CRAP they'd broadcast?!

 

[JimP]

Yes, you'd be able to swing your 61.5 dish over to 129 without needing a dish 1000

The Dish 1000 is basically a larger dish, an arm with a "w" bracket that can take a whole bunch of configurations.

the most common config will be a dish pro plus twin and a dish pro dual/single

So is the satellite they're moving from 61.5 the previous "Rainbow 1" from Voom or is it another satellite?

If they're not moving "Rainbow 1", any speculation what they're going to do with it??

 

[danielle_s]

this nothing more than another dish network smoke screen to prevent us from seeing that they have no intentions of offering us a ONE DISH SOLUTION for EVERYTHING.

 

[DWS44]

I thought 129 was supposed to be the new home for HD?

 

[JimP]

this nothing more than another dish network smoke screen to prevent us from seeing that they have no intentions of offering us a ONE DISH SOLUTION for EVERYTHING.

Please explain how that could be done, short of building a space station?

 

[MikeD-C05]

I thought 129 was supposed to be the new home for HD?

That is what I thought too, but on the Sky report today, it said that Dish will use the 129 slot to help it be in compliance with the Fcc's ruling about a one dish solution for locals. Maybe they will tell us something on the next Tech chat .