This is bad news for North easters
I can barely get 119 it is so low to the horizon.
129 will be downright impossible!
I can barely get 119 it is so low to the horizon.
129 will be downright impossible!
Dish 1000 Coming Soon
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You live in a fantasy world, my friend. Without everyone running MPEG4 receivers, that's downright impossible with the number of local markets, HD, internationals, and CONUS pay TV national channels E* offers. If you wanted a one-dish solution, you should've gotten V* (not anymore but you get the point). Even D* requires 2 dishes if you mix internationals with HD, certain locals, and what not.danielle_s said:
It's also due to the fact that FCC governs these transponders and unless D* buys E* or vice versa, you'll see a lot of redundancy on the satellite locations being used.
maybe, I'm just a little peved that echostar can't offer a dish that can look at 105 to 129. My locals are on 105 and obviously that includes a superdish, but that's only one dish. I then need a second dish to look at the 61.5 for HD. There's been so much rumors and speculation that 129 was going to be used for HD and that's still going to force me to use a 2 dish setup which sucks. And didn't echostar state that it's going to take at least 3yrs to convert EVERY channel to mpeg4? That's a long time to wait. As for Directv needing a 2 dish solution, that's in extreme cases from what I understand. Also, rumor has that Directv is going to be releasing a 5lnb sat dish. That does away with the 2 dish does it not? I mean if they can do it, then why can't dish at least put together a 4 lnb sat. 110/119/121/129 would probably be the most perfect dish they could offer. Or make a dish that does 105/110/119/121 and move all of the international programing onto the 129 or just keep it on the wings. Most of the customers that sub to arab or other international programing probably don't care about regular english tv so they only need dish. I don't hear any foregn subs complaining that they have to have 2 dishes to get everything they want?
Anyway, there are lots of options that could give at least 90% of us a one dish solution that would contain everything we want.
Anyway, there are lots of options that could give at least 90% of us a one dish solution that would contain everything we want.
They have said that 61.5 was probably going to be a temporary solution for HD. I don't think they will be leaving HD over there although personally I don't care if they do. It seems as though they will have International channels on the wings and everything else on a one dish solution once they get there compression to MPEG4.
How many transponders licenses does E* have at 129? Are the leased?
Is 129 truely not visible on the East coast? Is it worse then getting 61.5 on the West coast?
No matter what they put there it helps with 1 dish compliance (perhaps by freeing up space on 110 to move the locals there).
Another annoyance: E5 doesn't have spotbeams. Pretty inefficient for locals.
Is 129 truely not visible on the East coast? Is it worse then getting 61.5 on the West coast?
No matter what they put there it helps with 1 dish compliance (perhaps by freeing up space on 110 to move the locals there).
Another annoyance: E5 doesn't have spotbeams. Pretty inefficient for locals.
It does make a lot of sense to put locals at 129. This would prevent someone from needing two seperate satellite dishes to receive service. It would be 129 Dish1000 or 105/121 SuperDish.
OK, after hoping 129 does HD and other national channels and everyone eventually will need a Dish 1000, I'm going to go the other way (at least for a hypothetical question). What if E* will move many of their local channels that only require a Dish 500 (110/119) to 129? Every customer will either need a 105/110/119, 110/119/121, or 110/119/129 SuperDish or Dish 1000 in order to receive locals and international channels. Wouldn't this move open up a lot of space on the two "universal", or national, satellite slots at 110 and 119 for new national HD and SD programming?
I seriously doubt that any current markets will go to the 129 as that would mean a lot of swapouts, particularly the SuperDish markets after all the money those cost to get to the customer's homes. Perhaps the rest of the markets will go to 129 to keep space that is acquired at 110/119 free for conus slots (HD). This would help prevent upgrades from being needed for most customers as most have a Dish500.
What I think they'll be doing is moving 119/110 locals that currently have locals on a second dish at 148 all on 129. It would be pretty simple to do this. All they'd have to do is move the folks that already have that second dish point at 148 over to 129, and those that don't have the second dish, they'd swap out their dish 500 for a dish 1000
I don't see why the SuperDish markets would have to swap dishes (under my plan), but I do see your point about not wanting to swap out all the Dish500's. Does anyone know or have a guess at what number of subscribers still have Dish500s? But in the end, I don't know if not wanting to replace Dish500's is enough; E* might have to do it anyway, if they need the bandwidth enough. After all Dish500 is a relatively old concept, especially if D* is going to have a 5 LNB dish.
I do not expect SuperDish markets to move to 129. They already have a good home. If they move, they will move to 110 spotbeams - still available on the same SuperDish.
I expect as many side slot locals will move to 110 spotbeams as possible ... If E* cannot cram all of the split markets on 110-119 we may see 129 come into play. There are still a few markets left to add. They would be good at 129.
In the space cleared by moving locals from 61.5 and 148 to 110 E* *could* put up HD locals. The same for any SuperDish markets moved to 110. Keep that dish ... something may appear there of value.
JL
I expect as many side slot locals will move to 110 spotbeams as possible ... If E* cannot cram all of the split markets on 110-119 we may see 129 come into play. There are still a few markets left to add. They would be good at 129.
In the space cleared by moving locals from 61.5 and 148 to 110 E* *could* put up HD locals. The same for any SuperDish markets moved to 110. Keep that dish ... something may appear there of value.
JL
If Echostar V can't do spotbeams I find it difficult to think they will be using it for locals. It would be an inefficient use of bandwidth.
Isn't moving E*5 off of 119 to 129 going to increase the compression on the conus channels there? From what I see it's 6 of one, half dozen of another.
Unless they move R*1 to 119, and THEN cram as many locals on it as possible. (MAYBE EVEN MY LOCAL CHANNELS FOR A CHANGE... C'MON 95% OF THE COUNTRY COVERED AND NOT ME? WE ONLY GOT 2 CHANNELS!)
I can see Voom moving to 129, and all 21 broadcast, in MPEG4. Of course after they test everything for about 6 months, and then they'll announce it when there's no hardware in the warehouses, and book up a bunch of upgrades that'll backlog until shipping clears up.. and then you'll be able to watch your Voom21 on 129... in a year.
I see the wings being left for intl only... and you won't see more HDMPEG4LIL until E*10 is launched. maybe a channel or two... whatever they can fit on 129.
In the meantime they'll launch Dish broadband on 105, and everyone will be getting upgrades on their 105 LNB's. That'll keep us distracted until E*10 launches.. or some other sat they can lease.
They'll probably do MPEG4 like they did with the smart card transition. HD, then Porn, then Intl, then PPV, then Conus channels. that way they can work the kinks out slowly.
Unless they move R*1 to 119, and THEN cram as many locals on it as possible. (MAYBE EVEN MY LOCAL CHANNELS FOR A CHANGE... C'MON 95% OF THE COUNTRY COVERED AND NOT ME? WE ONLY GOT 2 CHANNELS!)
I can see Voom moving to 129, and all 21 broadcast, in MPEG4. Of course after they test everything for about 6 months, and then they'll announce it when there's no hardware in the warehouses, and book up a bunch of upgrades that'll backlog until shipping clears up.. and then you'll be able to watch your Voom21 on 129... in a year.
I see the wings being left for intl only... and you won't see more HDMPEG4LIL until E*10 is launched. maybe a channel or two... whatever they can fit on 129.
In the meantime they'll launch Dish broadband on 105, and everyone will be getting upgrades on their 105 LNB's. That'll keep us distracted until E*10 launches.. or some other sat they can lease.
They'll probably do MPEG4 like they did with the smart card transition. HD, then Porn, then Intl, then PPV, then Conus channels. that way they can work the kinks out slowly.
It shouldn't take as much satellite space to cover the rest of the markets considering that those markets probably have less channels in each of the markets. Dish may make more in those markets off of each sub in that they would not have as many stations to pay to cover the market. Couldn't they at least add one local channel from the rest of the markets and start adding others as space becomes available? That would be better than nothing. Must carriage would probably make that hard to do.
There are other inefficient uses to choose from ...HookedOnTV said:
If they put HD there, they have to figure out how SuperDish locals markets are going to get 110-119-129 and 105 or 121 - Another pair of new dish designs or two dish markets.
It is a lot more efficient to put something there that SuperDish people don't need to receive.
E5 is not currently online. It is an in-orbit spare that does not affect the compression of any channels. E7 is handling the entire load at 119.bcshields said:
JL
Speaking of the MPEG4 transition, I was thinking that, depending on what receivers are first available and the number of boxes that can be switched out in a given time, in addition to HD being first on the list, any new locals and international channels and all new customers should be switched out at first (duh). Also, the smallest existing locals markets could be switched out, too, depending on what E* could do with satellite shuffling and adding channels with the added bandwidth.
The 129 slot has created some hypotheses. So far, the 'official' rumor is that 129 will be the new HD home, or in other words a new national slot like 110 and 119. That would mean many, many customers would need new dishes. If that could be done by switching the LNB bar on a SuperDish, that would be pretty efficient. Obviously, putting all HD on 110 and 119 would be the best option overall and is most efficient. But E* probably doesn't have the bandwidth to do this. E* will have lots of numbers to crunch in order to find the most efficient and -practical- solution to adding bandwidth and saving money switching dishes.
The 129 slot has created some hypotheses. So far, the 'official' rumor is that 129 will be the new HD home, or in other words a new national slot like 110 and 119. That would mean many, many customers would need new dishes. If that could be done by switching the LNB bar on a SuperDish, that would be pretty efficient. Obviously, putting all HD on 110 and 119 would be the best option overall and is most efficient. But E* probably doesn't have the bandwidth to do this. E* will have lots of numbers to crunch in order to find the most efficient and -practical- solution to adding bandwidth and saving money switching dishes.
