here is the lowdown on the current offers today from both, i contacted both of them today, if you decide to go with directv for a 19.95 handling fee including installation, you get 4 recs hooked up, if you want hdtv, you purchase the rec for 299.00 and get 3 reg recs with it for the same handling fee, plus you get 6 months free hd pk included, you must commit to a years service, no dvrs included. if you want dishnetwork for 97.97 per month this is what is included with there dish digital advantage pk with no commitment and no equipment to purchase, you get a 811 rec for 1 room, plus a 311 dual tuner rec for the second and third room, this includes the americas everything pk w/locals 76.99, digital home advantage fee for 2nd rec 5.00, superstations 5.99, hd pk 9.99, there is no dvr included, you pay a one time activation fee of 49.99 and it will be credited on to your first bill you receive, this includes installation, so i for one am either going back to adelphia or dishnetwork, until more hd capability is available, doggone i miss voom already, due to the lack of hd channels from providers, thanks to a great group of guys and gals, i hope we can continue to grow and keep our user group alive , thanks, again , shaun