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riffjim4069 said:
WoW! I think we finally found someone who is qualified to debate that "knucklehead" Charles Barkley!:eek:

Salsa, if you wish to hire a Head Coach with a track record of 15-22, so be it. I would not! I cannot dumb-down my statement any further, so I hope you can finally understand. If not, your approval of my decision couldn't possibly mean less to me. I already have full knowledge of Coach Turner's knowledge, skills and ability as a head coach, and your hissy-fit will not persuade nor dissuade how I view Coach Turner's performance. I do not feel he is ready to assume the Auburn position. It's ironic how people who disagree with you are bitching, while people who share your views provide valid insight? Believe what you wish...and have another beer with your drinking buddy Chris Chelios.:rolleyes:

As I mentioned before, the MAC and other smaller conference football programs have provided a perfect environment to develop coaches who, eventually, step-up to the national level. Just to reiterate, I would not hire the CEO of a major corporation if the individual has only three years of experience leading a medium-sized company...that just happened to lose money 2 of the past 3 years. That would be assinine, and the Board of Directors would have my head! Sorry Chumley, but we will just have to agree to disagree since our standards for quality and excellence are very different.;)

Congrats to Coach Turner for his first, and only, winning season! Perhaps in another 3-5 years he can develop into a quality head coach.:up
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RiFF....I am sorry you feel this way:rolleyes:.....but have a nice day!:D:wave
 
BlackHitachi said:
Speed, strength, talent? I guess??:rolleyes: I don't know but to NOT see it would be very simple of a person.
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See this is what gets me. Its true to an degree, but if a person was to say that about the coaching situation, not this one maybe, but in general, that wouldnt be acceptable. This double standard is what needs to end. Its ok to say things one way and not the other. Dont get me wrong, there are MANY black (and other minority) coaches that are qualified and would do a great job at the highest level of coaching. That said, there are also many white coaches that are qualified to do the same job. Why should one get it over the other simply because of skin color or ethinicity? If its not right to do it one way, it shouldnt be right to do it another.

Why cant it be that simple in this case though. Why cant auburn have hired a guy with better ties to the area that he is going to be coaching in? Why cant auburn have hired a guy that has experience recruiting here previously? Why does it have to be racist? Maybe the winning resume isnt as good, but the other factors are better. Who knows? Maybe it is racist (I dont think it is), but I have yet to see anyone who thinks it is even consider that maybe the reasons above hold water. They simply dismiss them as absurd.

This in not strictly directed at you Hitachi:up

And again, I also think if this had gone down at a school outside if the south it wouldnt be an issue at all (if all of the other factors were the same that is)

Edit: I think Insider was being slightly sarcastic anyway
 
msmith198025 said:
See this is what gets me. Its true to an degree, but if a person was to say that about the coaching situation, not this one maybe, but in general, that wouldnt be acceptable. This double standard is what needs to end. Its ok to say things one way and not the other. Dont get me wrong, there are MANY black (and other minority) coaches that are qualified and would do a great job at the highest level of coaching. That said, there are also many white coaches that are qualified to do the same job. Why should one get it over the other simply because of skin color or ethinicity? If its not right to do it one way, it shouldnt be right to do it another.

Why cant it be that simple in this case though. Why cant auburn have hired a guy with better ties to the area that he is going to be coaching in? Why cant auburn have hired a guy that has experience recruiting here previously? Why does it have to be racist? Maybe the winning resume isnt as good, but the other factors are better. Who knows? Maybe it is racist (I dont think it is), but I have yet to see anyone who thinks it is even consider that maybe the reasons above hold water. They simply dismiss them as absurd.

This in not strictly directed at you Hitachi:up

And again, I also think if this had gone down at a school outside if the south it wouldnt be an issue at all (if all of the other factors were the same that is)

Edit: I think Insider was being slightly sarcastic anyway
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you are very right!
 
msmith198025 said:
See this is what gets me. Its true to an degree, but if a person was to say that about the coaching situation, not this one maybe, but in general, that wouldnt be acceptable. This double standard is what needs to end. Its ok to say things one way and not the other. Dont get me wrong, there are MANY black (and other minority) coaches that are qualified and would do a great job at the highest level of coaching. That said, there are also many white coaches that are qualified to do the same job. Why should one get it over the other simply because of skin color or ethinicity? If its not right to do it one way, it shouldnt be right to do it another.

Why cant it be that simple in this case though. Why cant auburn have hired a guy with better ties to the area that he is going to be coaching in? Why cant auburn have hired a guy that has experience recruiting here previously? Why does it have to be racist? Maybe the winning resume isnt as good, but the other factors are better. Who knows? Maybe it is racist (I dont think it is), but I have yet to see anyone who thinks it is even consider that maybe the reasons above hold water. They simply dismiss them as absurd.

This in not strictly directed at you Hitachi:up

And again, I also think if this had gone down at a school outside if the south it wouldnt be an issue at all (if all of the other factors were the same that is)

Edit: I think Insider was being slightly sarcastic anyway
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:up
 
jwfgeol said:
This did go down at another school. Gill was passed over at Syracuse for Doug Marrone who has no head coaching experience.
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Right you are, see I forgot. Was there a huge discussion about racism from the boosters (or anyone)? There may very well have been, and that may be a reason it turned into such a big deal at Auburn
 
So if the NCAA is so racist, then why is there such a high percentage of black basketball couches (around 25%, twice the general population)?
If the boosters and athletic directors were racist, then the b-ball percentage would be as low as football.

As it is, ties to a school are huge in hiring and firing. Bill Curry was forced out of Alabama, even though his 3 year record 25-10 was the best since Bear Bryant, because he had no ties to Bear Bryant or the university.
This hiring in Auburn was no different, they hired someone with ties to the school and state.

My alma mater, Ga Tech, went through something similar. For years the fans hated Chan Gailey, because he didn't connect to the fans and had no ties to the University or state. When the Paul Johnson hire wa announced, fans were ecstatic because of Paul's long ties to the state (Ga. Southern).

For a head coach, ties to the university and state are huge, because 2/3'rd's of the job is recruiting.
 
msmith198025 said:
Right you are, see I forgot. Was there a huge discussion about racism from the boosters (or anyone)? There may very well have been, and that may be a reason it turned into such a big deal at Auburn
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The only "discussion about racism" I've read or heard regarding Chizik's hiring has come from Charles Barkley. This is the only reason it has turned into "such a big deal".

Jim Brown, a famous Syracuse alum, has been outspoken about opportunities for minorities and I really respect and agree with his stance. Notice that Brown is not claiming Marrone was a "racist hire":

-- Brown thinks college football should adopt the NFL's "Rooney Rule." In the pros, the Rooney Rule allows teams to find out information about candidates they normally would not get to know. In college football, that doesn't happen.
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Dan Patrick.com
 
cosmo_kramer said:
The only "discussion about racism" I've read or heard regarding Chizik's hiring has come from Charles Barkley. This is the only reason it has turned into "such a big deal".
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There was a rather lengthy segment on ESPN that was covering this hire right after it happend, I am sorry I dont remember the name. I have read numerous internet and local paper stories about it, and the discussion we are having here. Granted alot of it started with the Barkley comments and one person making a big stink over it still gets alot of national attention (warrented or not) when it is a fairly well known celebrity. Honestly, I think he has done more to harm his reputation (from those that dont agree with him) and the reputation of an entire region (for those that do), than he has done to enhance them. Good job Charles:up
 
msmith198025 said:
There was a rather lengthy segment on ESPN that was covering this hire right after it happend, I am sorry I dont remember the name. I have read numerous internet and local paper stories about it, and the discussion we are having here. Granted alot of it started with the Barkley comments and one person making a big stink over it still gets alot of national attention (warrented or not) when it is a fairly well known celebrity. Honestly, I think he has done more to harm his reputation (from those that dont agree with him) and the reputation of an entire region (for those that do), than he has done to enhance them. Good job Charles:up
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I agree completely.

When the next college job comes open, do you think they will hesitate to even interview a minority for the job?? Oh hell yea!!

Now. The way the national media has twisted this thing schools will not want to be drug threw the mud and will opt out of interviewing a minority and take scrutiny instead of interviewing and turning down a minority and being slammed.


BTW. Keep an eye on who is hired as assistant coaches at Auburn. A LOT of them will have a Auburn flavor (black and white) which proves my point that this hire was purely about POWER and not race. Lowder wants HIS boys in there coaching.
 
cosmo_kramer said:
The only thing the NCAA could do would be to institute something like the NFL has, the Rooney Rule. This requires teams with head coaching vacancies interview at least one minority candidate. But, that rule wasn't needed here because there were two minority coaches interviewed.

Mike Tomlin is probably the best example of how that has worked. But, there is also the negative side of a mandated interview with a minority candidate when a team has essentially made up their mind on a known commodity. Just look at the talk about Schottenheimer to the Browns. He's probably the odds-on favorite to get the job, but the Browns would have to interview minority candidates anyway.

Like I said in an earlier post yesterday:
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The Lions interviewed Tomlin, and passed. (Post your ridicule here.) The "Rooney Rule" worked really well in that instance.:rolleyes:
 
The rooney rule is as retarded as any. I dont think at the level of the NFL or NCAA you really "Apply" for the coaching job. They look at everyone and pick who they want. They will make a list and of those people some will not be interested, but the ones that are they will weigh against each other in an "interview" if you will. I know if I owned an NFL team or was an AD at a uni, id at least have a list of a couple people to replace all my coaches "just in case" anything happens..

The rooney rule is nothing but more affirmative action crap to make people "feel good".
 
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