I think I retired from TV Broadcasting just in time. First, there were locals only. Then cable came in (actually cable was here, as it was born here when I was in kindergarden). Then, to diviy up the commercials (or amount paid to stations) another local came on. The pie was now in 4 pieces. Then PBS was allowed to allow commercils (sponsors or spporters). Pie is now 5 pieces. Now cable could sell and insert their own commercials. 6 slices of same money in the marketplace. Then VHS and Beta (lots of slices and people could FF past commercials for the first time.) Now UBS (became Directv) comes along with ineserted commercials, but national) 6.1 slices. Now Dish comes along 6.2 slices. Internet streaming comes along. up to 6.5 and Direct, Dish and Cable put in a bigger bite with baseball, football and hockey contracts that used to be Network and protected in a market. Slices are over 10, now which means money for paying employes at these places goes down. WIth new electronics, it takes less people and less talented people to put out a produce. People retire, maybe a part-timer takes their place. Maybe No one does. Maybe, in the case of technical people who fix things, they farm out the equipment to people like me (I repair DVCPro machines for many stations). Another retired person works parttime 2 days a week at the tv station and they don't have to hire a replacement full time. Yep, not the glory days of 29% profit anymore.
Chairman of NBC no fan of auto hop
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And Dish wins regardless of the outcome of the court case. I'll bet they already have attorney fees budgeted. Wouldn't be surprised if it's charged to marketing.
Except that's not true. The local market still gets the same piece of the pie since all games of the local market team are still protected and shown on the local network, with the same local commercials, and are blacked out on all the other "season pass" channels.
If the chairman or networks hate the hoppers auto hop feature, then why do they show commercials that feature the hopper?
I hope auto hop becomes the standard. The bottom line is money. The networks have this cow that they have been milking for years. They feel comfortable and threaten now that technology has surpassed their golden cow. instead of being innovative themselves and do something with intelligence, they decide to use the same lame excuses. There is no consumer who would dislike to auto skip commercials. This is reason one that I rather paid the premium channels and watch them. As far as these networks, they have diluted themselves into programs that have little value and when once in a while a program is worth watching, they take it off the air and cancel it leaving consumers with low expectation to again watch their programming. They need to learn that consumers are their goal to satisfy and maybe just maybe they could build up a base of consumers that will be loyal to their networks. As of now, it is just too diluted into much disappointing programming.
Keep telling your self that!
Sorry I am not going to divolge confidental information over the internet any any postings here are not on any offical basis, nor would I want them to be as I know how people documents things! 
One thing that I can say is what Leslie Moonves is saying is completly accurate and that dish really has no allies when it comes down to this. The networks are prepared to shut down dish network, completley and are ready to pull all of their channels. This isnt no joke. It's if they decide to pull the trigger or not. They want to send a message as the networks are tired of dish's tatics! Also, the quiet one right now is ABC, but they are no fan of Dish either. Rember that lawsuite with ABC dish has. Yea that's another bargining chip on the table. Dish is in a very isolated position right now and things are looking really nasty and it is not in dish's favor. When you keep playing with fire your going to find yourself being burned and in this case, dish may have burned down the entire house! I really like dish, but the things they do just isnt right and is very anti industry when it comes to content distribution. I think the networks would have taken this better if dish would have negotated with the networks in advanced. They are pissed because dish didnt do it the right way and has a take it or leave it attitude. What's sad is the coustomer will end up in the middle of this and the networks know's that. They dont want to play the bad guy in pulling all of their networks, but they have to stand up for their revinue streams. If your employer cut half of your pay wouldnt you be pissed too? Imagine waking up to No ESPN, No FX, No Comedy Central, NO E! and having the majority of your basic and cable channels gone over night. The way the networks are talking, It can happen! Dish may think that that it cant, but it is very possible. If and when it does happen (looking like more when) it would be all of the networks banning together to show unity and solidarity against dish.wow nice wall of text. get with the times bro. were in the era of DVR not live tv. the TV execs are just like the movie industry. stuck in the past.
the networks will became our enemies!!! including the ones that can't stand that the viewers are the ones who pays them and do with their programming whatever we like!!! burn all the networks to the ground and beyond hell!!! the war is started!!!
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In other words you are making stuff up and pulling stuff out your ass.Sorry I am not going to divolge confidental information over the internet any any postings here are not on any offical basis, nor would I want them to be as I know how people documents things!
But seriously now I think DISH will win this one FOR NOW, but when contracts are up I have a good feeling that their will be wording added to prevent automatic commercial skipping. (And that goes for all Satellite Companies not just DISH.)
I like the feature, but I can understand 100% why the networks would be upset. I would think that they should be working as partners not as enemies. But that's just me.
Horsecr*p, goailebob99 ...Keep telling your self that!
I agree with Scott. The networks cannot collude and take down content en masse, whether or not they would like to destroy Dish. Local broadcasters, even of a single network, are owned by different entities, and their contracts all come due at different times. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the carriage agreements are with local broadcasters, not with the networks as a whole. So, at carriage renewal time for individual broadcasters, the {ahem} will hit the fan.
This is how Dish may argue at contract renewal time. The broadcasters are double-dipping. They charge advertisers, and even increase their advertising rate when they add in Dish eyeballs. Yet they charge Dish as well for carriage when their content is available OTA for free. So, Dish could say something like this. Declare "must carry", and we'll leave the commercials unskipped. Charge a gargantuan double-dipping carriage fee, and we'll regard you as a premium and skip the commercials. Take it or leave it.
This is how Dish may argue at contract renewal time. The broadcasters are double-dipping. They charge advertisers, and even increase their advertising rate when they add in Dish eyeballs. Yet they charge Dish as well for carriage when their content is available OTA for free. So, Dish could say something like this. Declare "must carry", and we'll leave the commercials unskipped. Charge a gargantuan double-dipping carriage fee, and we'll regard you as a premium and skip the commercials. Take it or leave it.
In other words you are making stuff up and pulling stuff out your ass.
my thought exactly!
