The one thing I don't like about Target Field is the right field wall. I'm not sure why they didn't place the fans closer to the field.
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Fenway, like Tiger Stadium, were uniquely constructed due to space constraints. Target Field didn't have these constraints and I think the right field wall is a major weakness of the ballpark.
The right field wall is homage to the dome....same distance to right (well 328 to 327) and same height of wall (I think)
Zumaya statement
Tigers' Zumaya on injury: 'I thought that was my last bullet'
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
Minneapolis -- The dark circles under Joel Zumaya's eyes Tuesday bore evidence to one of the darkest, most arduous nights of his young life.
"Crying in front of 40,000 people is pretty weak," he said. "But I was in a lot of pain and I felt like I had nobody on my side. Me and my wife (Rachel) talked all night and I asked that question over and over why is this happening to me? She tried to tell me things, but there's no answer. I really thought that was my last bullet. I thought my career was over."
Zumaya said it felt like his right elbow "exploded, like somebody took a hammer and just shattered it" in the eighth inning against the Twins on Monday. His first thought -- once he could think beyond the pain -- was that he would never pitch again.
All that work he put in coming back from a freak finger injury that cost him most of the 2007 season, and the two freak shoulder injuries that cost him most of 2008 and 2009, he figured, was for naught. Done, he thought, at age 25. His nine-month-old son will never see him play baseball.
"I've been through a lot, man, and I've never had an elbow problem like that," he said. "With all the stuff I've been through, that really took a piece out of me. I've worked too hard for this, man. To get knocked down like that and to know I am not going to be around to help this team again, that's all I wanted, just one full year of health. I thought my career was done."
He cried a lot Monday night, as you would expect. He said he was left breathless by the warm ovation he got from the fans at Target Field as he was helped off the field. He was overwhelmed by the support from his teammates after the game.
But mostly, he prayed.
And in the clear light of a new day, Zumaya found out his prayers were answered.
Diagnostic testing Tuesday showed no ligament damage -- Zumaya's injury is a non-displaced fracture of a small bone at the tip of the elbow (olecranon).
He will not need reconstructive (Tommy John) surgery.
His career is not over.
His season is.
"I got really, really satisfying news today," Zumaya said. "I left it in God's hands and he gave me another blessing. There will be no Tommy John (surgery).
"I have four months to heal, not a year. I am a hard-working guy and there's no way I can give up the fight."
Surgery is still an option, Rand said, but not a major reconstruction procedure.
"The ligament is fine and the rest of the elbow is fine," Tigers trainer Kevin Rand said. "It's just a question of that healing."
Rand added that Zumaya will have a CT Scan on the elbow later this week to determine the length and depth of the fracture.
"We have to determine if anything had been going on there before (the injury) and we don't see that at this time," Rand said. "After that, it comes down to treatment options. Do you treat it non-operatively or do you treat it operatively by inserting screws in there? With each the outcome is usually very good."
Rand said he was "very optimistic" Zumaya will be able to pitch next season.
"As long as he's able to let the fracture heal; it's just the healing of a fracture and getting his arm back in shape to pitch," he said.
Rand also said he had never seen an injury like that occur on one pitch. Usually that injury is a result of repeated stress.
"Joel Zumaya has been through three (counting this one) of the most unique injuries a pitcher would ever go through," Rand said. "And he's been able to come through. He's almost a medical marvel. As a result of that, I don't put anything past him. Like I told him, we got the best-case scenario today. This is just another speed bump along his way."
Zumaya joked that since he was able to put his uniform on with one hand, maybe he'd try to pitch left-handed.
"At least I know I still have a chance to pitch," he said. "The shoulder was by far the worst injury I've had and people didn't think I'd get back from that. In the back of my head (Monday), I told myself I've had enough. I heard what Tommy John surgery entails and I know it takes a toll on your body and on you mentally. So I am relieved this has nothing to do with that.
"I've got another chance and that's a blessing. ... I won't give it up."
The Joel Zumaya saga has been a sad one, with no chapter more gut-wrenching than Monday night, when, after unleashing a 99-mph fastball, he winced, bent over, then dropped to the ground in tremendous pain.
The injury to Zumaya's surgically repaired arm is the latest blow toa hard-throwing reliever who's come back from injury after injury, only to be dealt setback after setback.
Here's a look at the Tigers reliever's history with injuries:
* July 26-Aug. 25, 2003: On DL (back spasms)
* June 24-July 8, 2004: On DL (back spasms)
* Sept. 5-Oct.3, 2004: On DL (shoulder spasms)
* May 5, 2007: While warming up in the Kauffman Stadium bullpen in Kansas City, Mo., Zumaya felt something pop in the middle knuckle of his pitching hand. Tests revealed he tore a tendon, which required surgery (and apparently ended his "Guitar Hero" career).
* May 6-Aug. 21, 2007: On DL (strained right middle finger)
* October 2007: With wildfires nearing his parents' southern California home, Zumaya went to the attic to get some belongings when a 50- to 60-pound box fell on his right shoulder. He had major surgery, to reconstruct the AC joint, in early November.
* March 30-June 20, 2008: On DL (right shoulder surgery recovery)
* Aug. 12, 2008: He entered with the Tigers leading the Blue Jays, 4-2. Five batters later, he had retirednobody and the lead was gone. The soreness was result of scar tissue (from offseason surgery) breaking up and, withDetroitout of contention,he wasfinishedfor '08.
* Aug. 13-Oct. 31, 2008: On DL (sore right shoulder)
* March 27-April 25, 2009: On DL (sore right shoulder)
* July 17, 2009: In a 5-3 loss at Yankee Stadium, Zumaya gave up a three-run homer to Mark Teixeira -- and later in the inningfelt something pop in his right shoulder. A month later, he had a bone fragment removed by famed orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews.
* July 18-Nov. 8, 2009: On DL (sore right shoulder)
* June 28, 2010: It was a tough scene in the eighth inning, with Zumaya, holding his arm tight and grimacing in obvious pain, being helped off the field by two members of the Tigers training staff. The sellout Twins crowd gave a classy boisterous ovation as he left.
* June 29, 2010: On DL (sore right elbow)
From The Detroit News: Tigers' Zumaya on injury: 'I thought that was my last bullet' | detnews.com | The Detroit News
Tigers' Zumaya on injury: 'I thought that was my last bullet'
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
Minneapolis -- The dark circles under Joel Zumaya's eyes Tuesday bore evidence to one of the darkest, most arduous nights of his young life.
"Crying in front of 40,000 people is pretty weak," he said. "But I was in a lot of pain and I felt like I had nobody on my side. Me and my wife (Rachel) talked all night and I asked that question over and over why is this happening to me? She tried to tell me things, but there's no answer. I really thought that was my last bullet. I thought my career was over."
Zumaya said it felt like his right elbow "exploded, like somebody took a hammer and just shattered it" in the eighth inning against the Twins on Monday. His first thought -- once he could think beyond the pain -- was that he would never pitch again.
All that work he put in coming back from a freak finger injury that cost him most of the 2007 season, and the two freak shoulder injuries that cost him most of 2008 and 2009, he figured, was for naught. Done, he thought, at age 25. His nine-month-old son will never see him play baseball.
"I've been through a lot, man, and I've never had an elbow problem like that," he said. "With all the stuff I've been through, that really took a piece out of me. I've worked too hard for this, man. To get knocked down like that and to know I am not going to be around to help this team again, that's all I wanted, just one full year of health. I thought my career was done."
He cried a lot Monday night, as you would expect. He said he was left breathless by the warm ovation he got from the fans at Target Field as he was helped off the field. He was overwhelmed by the support from his teammates after the game.
But mostly, he prayed.
And in the clear light of a new day, Zumaya found out his prayers were answered.
Diagnostic testing Tuesday showed no ligament damage -- Zumaya's injury is a non-displaced fracture of a small bone at the tip of the elbow (olecranon).
He will not need reconstructive (Tommy John) surgery.
His career is not over.
His season is.
"I got really, really satisfying news today," Zumaya said. "I left it in God's hands and he gave me another blessing. There will be no Tommy John (surgery).
"I have four months to heal, not a year. I am a hard-working guy and there's no way I can give up the fight."
Surgery is still an option, Rand said, but not a major reconstruction procedure.
"The ligament is fine and the rest of the elbow is fine," Tigers trainer Kevin Rand said. "It's just a question of that healing."
Rand added that Zumaya will have a CT Scan on the elbow later this week to determine the length and depth of the fracture.
"We have to determine if anything had been going on there before (the injury) and we don't see that at this time," Rand said. "After that, it comes down to treatment options. Do you treat it non-operatively or do you treat it operatively by inserting screws in there? With each the outcome is usually very good."
Rand said he was "very optimistic" Zumaya will be able to pitch next season.
"As long as he's able to let the fracture heal; it's just the healing of a fracture and getting his arm back in shape to pitch," he said.
Rand also said he had never seen an injury like that occur on one pitch. Usually that injury is a result of repeated stress.
"Joel Zumaya has been through three (counting this one) of the most unique injuries a pitcher would ever go through," Rand said. "And he's been able to come through. He's almost a medical marvel. As a result of that, I don't put anything past him. Like I told him, we got the best-case scenario today. This is just another speed bump along his way."
Zumaya joked that since he was able to put his uniform on with one hand, maybe he'd try to pitch left-handed.
"At least I know I still have a chance to pitch," he said. "The shoulder was by far the worst injury I've had and people didn't think I'd get back from that. In the back of my head (Monday), I told myself I've had enough. I heard what Tommy John surgery entails and I know it takes a toll on your body and on you mentally. So I am relieved this has nothing to do with that.
"I've got another chance and that's a blessing. ... I won't give it up."
The Joel Zumaya saga has been a sad one, with no chapter more gut-wrenching than Monday night, when, after unleashing a 99-mph fastball, he winced, bent over, then dropped to the ground in tremendous pain.
The injury to Zumaya's surgically repaired arm is the latest blow toa hard-throwing reliever who's come back from injury after injury, only to be dealt setback after setback.
Here's a look at the Tigers reliever's history with injuries:
* July 26-Aug. 25, 2003: On DL (back spasms)
* June 24-July 8, 2004: On DL (back spasms)
* Sept. 5-Oct.3, 2004: On DL (shoulder spasms)
* May 5, 2007: While warming up in the Kauffman Stadium bullpen in Kansas City, Mo., Zumaya felt something pop in the middle knuckle of his pitching hand. Tests revealed he tore a tendon, which required surgery (and apparently ended his "Guitar Hero" career).
* May 6-Aug. 21, 2007: On DL (strained right middle finger)
* October 2007: With wildfires nearing his parents' southern California home, Zumaya went to the attic to get some belongings when a 50- to 60-pound box fell on his right shoulder. He had major surgery, to reconstruct the AC joint, in early November.
* March 30-June 20, 2008: On DL (right shoulder surgery recovery)
* Aug. 12, 2008: He entered with the Tigers leading the Blue Jays, 4-2. Five batters later, he had retirednobody and the lead was gone. The soreness was result of scar tissue (from offseason surgery) breaking up and, withDetroitout of contention,he wasfinishedfor '08.
* Aug. 13-Oct. 31, 2008: On DL (sore right shoulder)
* March 27-April 25, 2009: On DL (sore right shoulder)
* July 17, 2009: In a 5-3 loss at Yankee Stadium, Zumaya gave up a three-run homer to Mark Teixeira -- and later in the inningfelt something pop in his right shoulder. A month later, he had a bone fragment removed by famed orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews.
* July 18-Nov. 8, 2009: On DL (sore right shoulder)
* June 28, 2010: It was a tough scene in the eighth inning, with Zumaya, holding his arm tight and grimacing in obvious pain, being helped off the field by two members of the Tigers training staff. The sellout Twins crowd gave a classy boisterous ovation as he left.
* June 29, 2010: On DL (sore right elbow)
From The Detroit News: Tigers' Zumaya on injury: 'I thought that was my last bullet' | detnews.com | The Detroit News
...I see that Bonderman is going against Liriano this evening. I certainly have to give the edge to the Minnesota on this matchup, but I will say that it all depends on which Bonderman shows up tonight. He's either quite good or very bad - not much in between.
Does anyone have stats on how well Bonderman does at home and on the road? Also, what are Liriano's stats (win-loss, ERA, etc.) against the Tigers? Offhand, I woudl have to say the Twinkies are a 2-1 favorite given the home matchup and the Tigers miserable road record.
Still...hoping to escape with a Victory tonight.
There have been a bunch of games this season he eserved to win and didn't. Here are the Bonderman starts that could be included in that group:
• He had six-inning outings against the Angels in which he allowed three runs and one run, respectively. He got no decision each time.
• Seven innings, two runs vs. the Yankees, lost.
• Seven innings, no earned runs vs. Seattle, no decision.
• Seven innings, two runs vs. Pittsburgh, no decision.
"The game evens itself out sometimes," Bonderman said. Monday night marked the third start of Bonderman's career in which he didn't strike out anyone, according to Baseball-Reference.com. It was the first of those three starts that he has won.
Hey, I just noticed Bonderman is making almost twice as much as Verlander - 12.5M versus 6.85M. Also, there are a number of young Tigers on the low-end of the salary scale with Jackson and Boesch earning minimum wage (i.e., 400K). I'm not sure when all the contracts expire, but the Tiger's will need to address these issues in the off-season. I like Bonderman, but we're not getting anywhere near 12.5M worth of production out of him.
Completely forgot the Tigers-Twins are playing an afternoon game today. Big game! The Tigers can earn a respectable 4-5 record on this difficult road trip or tumble to a dismal 3-6.
If he continues to pitch well, he'll either go elsewhere or sign for the same or less back with the Tigers.
Varlander's salary doubles next year and then goes to almost 20M after that.
When the trip started I had hoped for a 5-4 trip, but would have been OK with 4-5.
3-6 is unacceptable but there were games that they should have won on the trip that they found a way to lose.
I gotta agree with Rod Allen on this one, the hit that Boesch had to third should have been an error and he was given a hit ..... little bit of Home Cookin, keep'in that error count down, the Twins have supposedly only 20 errors all year.
Agreed...if a 3rd baseman cannot field a ball hit direct at them...well, it's an error.
Holy crap! How many times to do you see a line-drive just over the shortstops glove bounce, scoot and roll all the way to the warning track scoring a not-to-fleet-of-foot Ordonez from 1st base. Cabrera is a hitting machine.
Did ICE go to the game today ?
Did HE pull the FIRE ALARM ?
I really don't know what to think of the Fire Dept there, seeing the thing has been going off for over 30 minutes now.
Did HE pull the FIRE ALARM ?
I really don't know what to think of the Fire Dept there, seeing the thing has been going off for over 30 minutes now.
