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Since I also recorded the game, I looked to see if my recording had any problems. Initially all of my recorded 4K content were showing up as 1080i. I rebooted my Hopper3 and the 4K recordings all played as 4K.

After the initial reboot, the entire game played in 4K with no problems.

This gets me to thinking that those who complain that they see no difference between the 4K content and normal 1080i may be watching in 1080i instead of 4K.

I have now noticed 3 times that my Sony XBR-65X900E will play Hopper3 recorded 4K programs in 1080i. The solution is to reboot my Hopper3 and then the 4K displays correctly. It is probably a handshaking issue.
 
Hmmm. I just rebooted my hopper and lo and behold I can watch the recording of the game. The PQ is great. If I hadn't watched it in HD last night.....
Next time I'll know better.
 
camo said:
Appears to me it depends on cameras in use. Most college games (especially early on) really popped and no doubt it was broadcast in 4K, then the baseball playoff game looked like good 1080 but not true 4K. Same with one of the recent college games didn't have same impact as earlier games.

I can say the same about much of the Netflix 4K content, yes its 4K bandwidth but cameras used just don't cut it so looks no better than 1080p. While you can see a difference in some of the specialized broadcast which are specialized for 4K broadcast mainly scenic shows the cameras used really pop and no doubt its 4K.
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It could be anything in the chain that causes the content to not actually be 4k: cameras, switching system and feed to it, the output of the board, or the feed to the remote truck that is sending it to the satellite that is distributing it to broadcaster. The switching boards of many companies have been 4k capably for about 10 yrs now. But the cameras and ancillary equip have had need to catch up. The cameras aren't exactly cheap for broadcast quality.
Bobby said:
Do you get channel 150? I guess a better question is: What level of service do you have?
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No I don't get 150 it's all in the sports category. I don't do sports at all. I get all the movie channels and the expanded "Welcome Package"(they added to it after it was discontinued). I get most of my "cable" type channels off Directv. And yes I'm set up for 4k on it as well.
 
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Based on DirecTv's guide; I'm going to assume this weeks 4K games is Nebraska @ Penn State 3p et

I'd say Dish needs to compete with Dirc's 4K always on channel showing random crap until I saw Queen, we will rock you concert, in 4K. Umm huh, whaa? How can you have a 4k footage when HD wasn't even invented yet?!
 
bryanw20 said:
Based on DirecTv's guide; I'm going to assume this weeks 4K games is Nebraska @ Penn State 3p et
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The EPG on my 4K Joey shows "CFB: Nebraska at Penn St" starting at 4pm EST.
bryanw20 said:
How can you have a 4k footage when HD wasn't even invented yet?!
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35 or 70 mm film, scanned at 4K, to hazard a guess. That's why some old TV shows looked so good on the legendary Voom service. "UFO" looked fantastic, except the wires holding the models came through in HD!
 
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Foxbat said:
The EPG on my 4K Joey shows "CFB: Nebraska at Penn St" starting at 4pm EST.35 or 70 mm film, scanned at 4K, to hazard a guess. That's why some old TV shows looked so good on the legendary Voom service. "UFO" looked fantastic, except the wires holding the models came through in HD!
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Adding to your post to bryanw20: When we talk about HD, one of the main criteria is 'resolution'. ie. how many pixels in a given space. When we are in the digital realm, the more the better. When we talk about film, however, the 'resolution' is close to infinite since the silver nitrate (or whatever emulsion) captures the image in analog. There is no 'sampling'. No "pixels". Just a continuous line. A pristine print can be superior to digital and a good 4K conversion will mean that almost nothing is lost from the original.

The same is true for a good audio signal.
 
eddie willers said:
Adding to your post to bryanw20: When we talk about HD, one of the main criteria is 'resolution'. ie. how many pixels in a given space. When we are in the digital realm, the more the better. When we talk about film, however, the 'resolution' is close to infinite since the silver nitrate (or whatever emulsion) captures the image in analog. There is no 'sampling'. No "pixels". Just a continuous line. A pristine print can be superior to digital and a good 4K conversion will mean that almost nothing is lost from the original.

The same is true for a good audio signal.
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Not quite infinite. In the film world it depends upon the film used (there was a tremendous difference in grain structure between say Kodak Panatomic-X and Tri-X) and the quality of the taking lens (resolution, contrast, flare, and aberrations). Still, generally better than any digital TV signal.
 
EatMyVolts said:
Not quite infinite. In the film world it depends upon the film used (there was a tremendous difference in grain structure between say Kodak Panatomic-X and Tri-X) and the quality of the taking lens (resolution, contrast, flare, and aberrations). Still, generally better than any digital TV signal.
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Which is why I said 'close' to infinite, but I get your point. The main takeaway for the youngsters out there (you know who you are) like my Millennial nieces (who know that nothing of importance ever happened before their birthday in 1991) is that if good filmstock was used and a good print, negative or internegative is the base used for the digital conversion, the odds are good that the film may have an original resolution that is superior to 4K and so, yes, worth the time time and expense.
 
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The game on ch540 is visually FAR superior to the Ohio State game I'm watching on ABC. My TV says 2160. Whether there's a breakdown along the way to that resolution, I don't know. I do know that it looks really good.
 
Watching one of the recent 4K NCAA Football games on my 55" Samsung isn't much different than 1080. I was not impressed. Maybe a slight color improvement but debatable if there's higher detail.

But, I recently upgraded our home theater to a Sony 4K projector & just watched a 4K game on 102" diagonal screen & all can say is, Wow... big difference. Greater color & much higher detail when flipping 4K-540 to HD-150 on Dish. No comparison.

It's ashamed to think we'd need to go to such extremes to see the benefits of 4K over 1080. Imagine how big of a screen well need for future 8K sets! ;)
 
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There is no contract for ESPN 4K events. FS1 had no 4K events scheduled this weekend. You can’t televise what isn’t there...
 
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EatMyVolts said:
How true. In the early days of television, people would tune in just to see the test pattern.
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Ah yes, I remember it well... :D
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Guide info can be so misleading

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