2013 MLB Postseason
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Just saw this on FOX:
The Pittsburgh
Pirates got the best of the Cincinnati Reds on
Tuesday night, winning the NL wild-card game 6-2. While the Pirates will go on
to play the St. Louis
Cardinals in the NL division series, the Reds are already talking next
year.Following the game, Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said that manager
Dusty Baker will be back, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer.When asked if there were any questions about Baker's return, Jocketty
responded "I don't think so. He's signed for another year."
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I would not want to face the Pirates from here on out. Now they REALLY have momentum, steam, whatever you wanna call it. PLUS a whole big piece of the baseball world pulling for them as sentimental underdogs. The fact that have achieved this spot in the playoffs is something no one except the most die-hard Pirates fans saw back in April.2:
I grew up a Reds fan and have become a BIG Marlins fan. But after the latest Loria debacle, I somewhat switch my allegiances back to the Reds. But last night, being the 40 year anniversary of Roberto Clementes' death...I was sentimentally pulling for the Pirates.
With all due respect to our loyal Reds' fans here, I think most of America was pulling for the Pirates after 21 years. They are a "feel good story" in a time when things ain't feelin' too good in a lot of places.
Yes, you can add 'playing in front of your spirited fans' to the HFA attribute list.....:up
I thought I read somewhere here that HFA doesn't help the team. 
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Team Stream just announced that 2014 will be Vin Scully's final year as Dodger PBP man. More to follow....
Update...in an Atlanta interview today Vinny all but said he would retire in '14. Not a complete commitment but it sounds 99.5% that he will.
Mock all you want. I have facts, history, statistics, and evidence on my side. But I do love the logic fallacies of internet posters using the, "This rock keeps those Tigers away," logic. Must be that same HFA that helped Texas win as well?I thought I read somewhere here that HFA doesn't help the team.
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One game does not a stat make. One series does not a stat make. Collective years and collective games prove this fact that HFA does not provide an advantage. But if you want to keep believing the earth is flat and HFA actually gives teams an advantage, by all means, believe what you want.
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Born and raised 45 minutes from Pittsburgh, right across the Ohio line. So close in fact I work in Pittsburgh. October 14, 1992, the day the Pirates lost and tore my heart out for 20 years. I'm 28 years old, so I was 7 at the time of that game.
You may be wondering why and how I remember that date so fondly? My birthday is Oct 19 1984, I went to many many games with my grandfather. And he told me if the Pirates made the World Series we were going for my birthday. Needless to say that never happened. And my Pap has since passed.
But last night it felt like he was watching it with me. Born and raised a Bucs fan to the day I die.
LETS GO BUCS!!!
You may be wondering why and how I remember that date so fondly? My birthday is Oct 19 1984, I went to many many games with my grandfather. And he told me if the Pirates made the World Series we were going for my birthday. Needless to say that never happened. And my Pap has since passed.
But last night it felt like he was watching it with me. Born and raised a Bucs fan to the day I die.
LETS GO BUCS!!!
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If the Dodgers do not make, the Pirates will be the team I will be pulling for.
I love to see these small market underdogs win. Ironic coming from a Dodgers fan.
I love to see these small market underdogs win. Ironic coming from a Dodgers fan.
In the wild card round it does. We have already agreed that home teams have a greater than 50% chance of winning in the MLB. Over a series, when the team with HFA gets 1 extra home game at most the numbers shrink. With these 1 game wild card rounds you would think the same odds as any other game apply though. Meaning, the home team has a greater than 50% chance to win that 1 game series.
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If you actually bothered to read what I had posted the other day, you would have realized that we have been talking about the same thing, but looking at it from two different ways.
When I've been referring to HFA, it's all been about all the benefits the home team has before and during the series. You've been ignoring that and harping strictly on the results, which I've never disputed. Hence, my "That's why it's called a Home Field Advantage, not a Home Field Guarantee...." line. Even if the numbers show it being a statistical dead heat in the end, I would much rather have my team going into a series with the HFA than without it.
We cannot technically make any conclusion about the WC round since this is only the second year. We do not have a large enough sample size yet. But the 3 WC games so far, the visiting team won 2 of the 3. Yesterday was the first time the home team won.
There have been ten 1 game playoffs throughout baseball history, not counting WC games. The home team won 5 and the road team won 5. If you include the 3 WC games played thus far, the visiting team has won 7 of 13. Still a statistical tie. Again, there is no advantage to playing at home or on the road.
The ultimate benefit is winning. The only way to really measure the benefit is the measure the success through winning. It does not increase the winning results. The guarantee point is a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with advantage. Guarantee implies total success, a claim nobody is making. Measuring advantage is done by the results. If the results are the same regardless, then there is no advantage.
With that said, I would rather play at home, win or lose, than on the road, win or lose, knowing that my chances of winning are the same regardless of where I play. For that aspect of your argument, I do agree with you. That still does not provide an advantage to winning though.
Your first sentence is right. The sample size is too small to know for sure. I expect it to even out to the same odds as any other game as the sample size grows.
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