I get that neutral observers hate the Patriots- I really do. If I'm honest with myself, I'd hate the Patriots if I was the fan of an opposing team. That being said, the whole "Patriots can't/haven't won a Super Bowl" since spygate is beyond ludicrous. First of all, they won 17 straight games AFTER they got caught "cheating" then they lost the Super Bowl after a one in a billion play (Manning-Tyree) went against them (NOT saying that the Giants didn't deserve to win that game, just using that play as a frame of reference for the "Patriots can't win without cheating" crowd). They lost the second Super Bowl to the Giants after a receiver (Welker) drops a ball that he catches 99 out of 100 times. If Welker catches that ball, it's a first down and the Pats run out the clock. If one or both of those improbable plays don't happen then that beyond stupid theory wouldn't exist. If Patriots haters want to call it karma- I can understand that, but anything else is just silly. That argument reminds me of my brother-in-law who is a HUGE Yankees fan, and a devout Red Sox hater. In the mid 90's he INSISTED that the Red Sox would never win a championship as long as they played in that "little dump" (Fenway Park). He argued that the ballpark was too quirky and the Red Sox would ultimately lose in the postseason because they relied on the advantage of playing half their games there. I always pointed to 1986 as the reason his argument was flawed. Did Bill Buckner, Calvin Schiraldi, John McNamara, etc. all suddenly say "we can't win this thing tonight (game 6 at Shea Stadium), because we play our home games at Fenway Park"? Of course not, that's why it was a ridiculous thing to say. Just like David Tyree, Eli Manning, Wes Welker and Mario Manningham didn't suddenly say "wait, the Patriots can't win this....they are supposed to lose"!!