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here are all of the facts on ONE site. A great read. If anyone can read this and still blame Bush I would be speechless

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=78117

Honestly I think the state and local failed to execute their plans fully and didnt understand the problem they wewre facing until too late, and after 2 days of failure (Tuesday and Wednesday), they Nagin and Blanco looked for someone to blame. When troops were requsted from the governor on Wednesday Bush had them there very quickly on Thursday IMO.
 
Michael-Berlin said:
we never had a big emergency like this. But we had some floodings here in Germany. And the people were evacuated to medical camps. But that wasn't thousends of people. It wasn't a giant city like New Orleans.

btw ... our people don't have guns and they don't kill any other!
I know you guys in Europe use Kilometers but here we still use miles. Germany is 137,823 square miles in area. The total area devastated by this storm is 90,000 - 100,000 square miles. That's roughly 2/3 the size of your country. Try to imagine that! This goes much further than just New Orleans. New Orleans is having all of this trouble due to a lack of leadership at the local level from the get go. Other places have been flattened and there is little or nothing left at all. Your not seeing the same kind of reports coming out of those areas.
 
vurbano said:
Mayor Nagin failed in almost every aspect of his responsibilities. He failed to execute his own written emergency plans. If you had ever been through a hurricane you would know that the first responders are not the feds. As a licensed professional engineer, a resident of the Virginia Coast who has been through many hurricanes for the last 40 years and a member of the Emergency Operations Staff here I think you are absolutlety ignorant of the situation.:rolleyes:

I agree completely Vurbano! :yes
 
Michael-Berlin said:
but Americans can do?
.oO(Killing of the Indians, civil war, Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Iraq 1 + 2)
well ... I see ;)

Peace :D

Heh...When it comes to killing we're just amateurs, add all those together and they don't even make a drop in Germany's bloody bucket. In hindsight, maybe we should have given your whole country to the Russians and let them extract their revenge.

In just WWII

Country Pop. Killed/Mising Wounded Total(Military) Civilian (deaths)

Poland 35m 130,000 200,000 330,000 2.5million
U.K. 48m 400,000 300,000 700,000 60,000
France 42m 250,000 350,000 600,000 270,000
Belgium 8m 12,000 16,000 28,000 100,000
Holland 9m 14,000 7,000 21,000 250,000
Greece 7m 90,000 ? ? 400,000
Yugoslavia 15m 320,000 ? ? 1.3million
U.S.S.R. 194m 9 million 18 million 27 million 19 million
 
vurbano said:
here are all of the facts on ONE site. A great read. If anyone can read this and still blame Bush I would be speechless

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=78117

Honestly I think the state and local failed to execute their plans fully and didnt understand the problem they wewre facing until too late, and after 2 days of failure (Tuesday and Wednesday), they Nagin and Blanco looked for someone to blame. When troops were requsted from the governor on Wednesday Bush had them there very quickly on Thursday IMO.
I agree with Virbano totally. Cola. S.C. is picking up 2500 people from N.O. today. Most will go to two closed malls. I had to go to a local hospital today and saw some temporary housing (if you want to call it that) being put up in the ambulance parking lot. Laminated cardboard tents that fold out like an accordion. Never saw that before.
 
Michael-Berlin said:
we never had a big emergency like this. But we had some floodings here in Germany. And the people were evacuated to medical camps. But that wasn't thousends of people. It wasn't a giant city like New Orleans.

btw ... our people don't have guns and they don't kill any other!

And I bet your local officials didn't just sit on their hands waiting for Bonn to send help.

The way our nation is set up, the federal government cannot simply march in and take over operations of a state without a specific request from that state's leader (without the President declaring a national state of emergency). It would be similar (not exactly) to a member of the EU or the EU itself to want to assist a city in Germany. They certainly can not move into Germany without a request from your "leader". They sure as hell could not send troops.

Imagine a terrible disaster in Munich for which you had advanced warning and the mayor tells everyone to get out or head to the Olympiaplatz. Would you complain that London and Madrid failed to get buses there in time when Munich allowed all their vehicles to be destroyed? Or question the wisdom of encouraging people to congregate in a place that the mayor had no intention or plan to provide for all those people?

Of course not, you'd blame Bush and the evil Americans. :rolleyes:
 
Bush's Fault?

The buses that should have carried everyone out before the storm sit here:
 

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One other note. When Hurricane Hugo blew through Chareleston SC. Granted it wasn't near as bad but the state and local goverments were there to aid and transport people before, durring and after the storm. I know because I worked down there. 48 hrs on duty 24 off. I did that for a month providing additional law enforcement . The state and local governments were a lot better prapaired than N.O. My team was in place in a fallout shelter in Charelston 24 hrs before the storm hit.(when it hit it scared the s***t out of me) There were problems, it wasn't perfect. The Governor at the time ordered a 9:00 p.m. curfew. If after that time someone was seen outside without a good reason they went to jail. After two days Charelston and the surrounding area looked like a ghost town at night. Our National Guard ,EMS from all over the state and additional Law Enforcement were there in place. The areas affected in my state that needed emergency assistance was was from Myrlte Beach to Sumter, past Charleston down to McClellanville which was a large area. If it wasn't for N.O. being below sea level and the levies breaking we probably wouldn't be having these discussions. The last thing I will say is that well over 20k people were sent from the SuperDome in N.O. to the Astro Dome in Texas. The great State of Louisiana sent two portajohns.? And we want to blame our President?......... When one becomes a Law Enforcement Officer you are trained and expected to handle to the best of your ability anything that is put in front of you. Sometimes things are hard, very hard. But after things settle down You shouldn't be sent to Las Vegas or Atlanta at Taxpayers expense. What kind of leaders do they have down there?
 
CPanther95 said:
And I bet your local officials didn't just sit on their hands waiting for Bonn to send help.

The way our nation is set up, the federal government cannot simply march in and take over operations of a state without a specific request from that state's leader (without the President declaring a national state of emergency). It would be similar (not exactly) to a member of the EU or the EU itself to want to assist a city in Germany. They certainly can not move into Germany without a request from your "leader". They sure as hell could not send troops.

Imagine a terrible disaster in Munich for which you had advanced warning and the mayor tells everyone to get out or head to the Olympiaplatz. Would you complain that London and Madrid failed to get buses there in time when Munich allowed all their vehicles to be destroyed? Or question the wisdom of encouraging people to congregate in a place that the mayor had no intention or plan to provide for all those people?

Of course not, you'd blame Bush and the evil Americans. :rolleyes:
I guess, you're right.
But Bonn isn't our capital since 1990 ;) It's Berlin ... again :D
 
Michael-Berlin said:
I heard the following on Germany's 2nd channel ZDF: "Louisiana's National Guard is currently not available because they are located in Iraq".
Is that true? Who is debt for that? I think, your president.
Wrong. No total states National Guard is sent at one time
 
Michael-Berlin said:
I guess, you're right.
But Bonn isn't our capital since 1990 ;) It's Berlin ... again :D

Last time I was in Berlin the wall was still up. :eek: Still have fond memories of mooning (baring my ass) at all the East German guards manning all the train stations as we blew threw East Germany on the duty train. Not sure why we Americans have such a bad reputation. :D

If that's the news the German press is reporting, it's no surprise why you are so uninformed. The fact is the Mayor of New Orleans did not ask for the LA National Guard to be mobilized to assist in evacuating those people that did not have the means to leave on their own.
 
Frank Jr. said:
Wrong. No total states National Guard is sent at one time

and..more than 58,000 active duty and National Guard personnel from all 50 states are currently in the hurricane effected region in support of civilian emergency response agencies.

According to the DOD, there are still more than 300,000 Army National Guard and Air National Guard personnel available to help if needed.


NightRyder
 
NightRyder said:
and..more than 58,000 active duty and National Guard personnel from all 50 states are currently in the hurricane effected region in support of civilian emergency response agencies.

According to the DOD, there are still more than 300,000 Army National Guard and Air National Guard personnel available to help if needed.


NightRyder
To include now the RA's. Regular Army.
 
Michael-Berlin said:
I guess, you're right.
But Bonn isn't our capital since 1990 ;) It's Berlin ... again :D

And the reason the cold war is over and Germany was reunified was because of the "evil Americans". I have been following this thread and it seems that you will believe any "fact" that supports your own belief system. You should apply for a job in the US media. :)
 
Michael Berlin I have spent a lot of time in Germany and Austria being that my mother is from a small town just south of Salzburg. I have better insight than most people in the United States in regards to your region of the world. I don't know it all though. If you ever have the opportunity to live and WORK in the United States you would probably change a lot of your opinions and find out what is really going on. BTW your English is not that bad. I have seen worse from my fellow Americans.
 
I must say I was getting a good laugh at the German's thoughts but Vurbano, Panther, and everyone sure put that down. WELL DONE!!

No one is totally faultless but the post by Vurbano citing this http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=78117 is outstanding. Too often people open their yaps and out comes uninformed waste. I had not heard the Mayor of NO was at a party...is this true? If it is he should be immediately discharged and the press needs to pick up on this. Is there any validity to it?

And one more thing....as W Tracy Parnell pointed out Re: the cold war. Everyone thought Reagan has a war monger when he called for Gorby to "tear down this wall"....well I think the wall is still down last I checked. The point here is it is easy to piss and moan about a problem as some Euro's (france((little "f")) especially) do and not want to offend anyone and be PC but over here in the USA we try fix the damn problem and not let someone else have to do it. So before you, "Michael-Berlin" start complaining about the evil Americans, crazy bad Bush, and how many people we have killed going back to before we were a country, A hell of a lot of brave very young men and women gave their lives selflessly for people they never met, in a land far away, and even for a cause some I am sure did not support. And for that all we get is sh*t. :mad:
Sorry for the rant but I am sick of people calling us names ETC... and then when they are in a pickle calling us for help...... :(
 
Michael-Berlin said:
I heard the following on Germany's 2nd channel ZDF: "Louisiana's National Guard is currently not available because they are located in Iraq".
Is that true? Who is debt for that? I think, your president.

Absolute horse manure. And I am becoming more and more convinced that this and other posts are not "questions" but rather ridiculous attacks.:rolleyes:
 
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