I'm no legal expert (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night), but I don't think the contract text would pass a legal challenge to what they are doing.
determine : ascertain or establish exactly
cannot verify : unverifiable
Wow terrible service with Dish moving to Directv
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determine : ascertain or establish exactly
cannot verify : unverifiable
So, it comes down to, if anyone wants to stack, switch to DTV. I'll bet their actual "subscriber" households are a couple million more than reported. So, if 2 DTV households are stacked, DTV is losing one potential subscriber's income, but because they can stack more easily on DTV than on Dish, Dish is losing two potential subscribers' income. 
And if I haven't beat this horse enough, every stacked account that is shut down on Dish is even more lost revenue from a single subscriber, and very likely another addition of a single subscriber revenue to DTV.
And if I haven't beat this horse enough, every stacked account that is shut down on Dish is even more lost revenue from a single subscriber, and very likely another addition of a single subscriber revenue to DTV.
I never have had any such agreement with Dish. I have owned my equipment from day one.
I've never signed so much as a single piece of paper. I installed the equipment myself. I was a tech for 12 years.
Snarky comment coming, mr attorney?
Ok Me Ergen, we get it. Can you get off the Company soap box now? Sheesh
Yes. I'm sure the audit team is all over this thread..After seeing your post, Dish reps are going to begin the shutdown of the audit group/process !
The name of this thread should be changed to "the black cloud that floats over me"..
So, it comes down to, if anyone wants to stack, switch to DTV. I'll bet their actual "subscriber" households are a couple million more than reported. So, if 2 DTV households are stacked, DTV is losing one potential subscriber's income, but because they can stack more easily on DTV than on Dish, Dish is losing two potential subscribers' income.
And if I haven't beat this horse enough, every stacked account that is shut down on Dish is even more lost revenue from a single subscriber, and very likely another addition of a single subscriber revenue to DTV.
From my perspective working both providers & seeing a lot out in the field stacking is equally rampant on both.
Assuming that to be true, then that means that the auditing activities are ineffective and a waste of money funding an entire department (in fact, it is a department that by design is shutting down revenue streams).
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YOUR ACTIVATION OF A DISH NETWORK ACCOUNT AND
RECEIPT OF DISH NETWORK SERVICES OR EQUIPMENT SHALL CONSTITUT
E YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF
THIS AGREEMENT. Also in the RSA
That isn't what I suggested at all. I said if the customer doesn't have either a phone line or an internet connection ,then they should be limited to one receiver on their account or one hopper/joey account. This eliminates all the stacking possibilities ,unless the joey is being run to the neighbors .
Years ago working cable they would pay us for every unauthorized hookup we found & disconnected. It was part of my pay so I audited every tap I came across. They quit paying so I quit auditing.
Field personnel are the best people for a system's security. They see & hear everything.
Now if dish & directv would pay for that info guess what....I'd be rich. I wouldn't think twice about earning some extra money busting some stackers & hackers. Heck satcams which I believe dish backs is offering a $50k reward for known iks server locations...http://satscams.com/
If they were serious about stackers they would've done something more diligent by now.
Field personnel are the best people for a system's security. They see & hear everything.
Now if dish & directv would pay for that info guess what....I'd be rich. I wouldn't think twice about earning some extra money busting some stackers & hackers. Heck satcams which I believe dish backs is offering a $50k reward for known iks server locations...http://satscams.com/
If they were serious about stackers they would've done something more diligent by now.
At first glance, one could say that the programmers are requiring auditing on the accounts, but at second glance, Directv isn't doing audits. They used to disconnect additional receivers that were not connected to a phone line but quit doing that.
Directv is probably making money on not being able to do the audits. Their system does not allow them to do what Dish can. They could have implemented that into their system if they wanted to though but chose not to. For every account they lose to stacking they probably gain enough to make up for two accounts with the fees that they get and the customers they got from other companies.
Directv is probably making money on not being able to do the audits. Their system does not allow them to do what Dish can. They could have implemented that into their system if they wanted to though but chose not to. For every account they lose to stacking they probably gain enough to make up for two accounts with the fees that they get and the customers they got from other companies.
Well I am sure that DIRECTV loves the DISH Audit department. It is helping building revenue streams for the competition, by pushing DISH subs to churn right to DIRECTV's door .
I agree, but it would also limit Dish's services to a large number of people. I doubt Dish wants to do that.
By no means do I condone account stacking. However whenever someone posts a link about how many billions Charlie Ergen is worth I almost have a little sympathy towards the stackers.
If dish wanted a secure system they'd have a secure system. In a twisted way I could believe this is Charlie's way of doing a little philanthropy while upholding his image as a ruthless business man.
Having the audit dept is really just a front for the share holders to show them he's trying to combat stacking when in reality they're making very little difference. All the while secretly doing his philanthropy by not having a secure system that allows for stacking & helping people who could not otherwise afford it.
Since this thread is already full of wild speculation I see no need of breaking the theme..
Why must people bring Charlie's earnings into matters like this? What he makes has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. None of us actually know how Charlie is making the majority of his income right now. The man probably makes some from salary pay, more from dividends from shares of the company and even more money from investments in other companies. Just because he is worth a lot of money doesn't mean that money is coming from our pockets and we have the right to take advantage of his company.
Well I am sure that DIRECTV loves the DISH Audit department. It is helping building revenue streams for the competition, by pushing DISH subs to churn right to DIRECTV's door .
And the same amount of DirecTV customers are coming to Dish because of shady practices they have. The biggest reason is when they renew a contract for a customer when they replace a bad receiver and don't make the customer aware of it. What I'm trying to say is, your point is moot.
Like I said earlier. The biggest reason DirecTV has more customer is because of brand awareness and their sports offerings. I doubt customer service has much to do with it, especially audits.
