Who Killed the Great American Cable-TV Bundle?

I’d say within 10 years down the road (or at most, 20) all people will do is stream. Probably even OTA won’t be around anymore eventually. The problem with streaming only and not satellite is that you can’t “move”.


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Disagree. I think OTA will still be around, but it will be different (I don't think it will be network based). I think it will be even more local programming. I think you're a long way from getting fast enough internet service into rural communities. Internet providers will be focused on the most bang for their buck... which will be increasing speeds for the most viewers, which is urban areas.
 
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Disagree. I think OTA will still be around, but it will be different (I don't think it will be network based). I think it will be even more local programming. I think you're a long way from getting fast enough internet service into rural communities. Internet providers will be focused on the most bang for their buck... which will be increasing speeds for the most viewers, which is urban areas.

I disagree as well. Either broadband internet by wire will expand to rural areas eventually or satellite internet will get better in quality. Hence OTA is gone. Just my two cents...


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The problem is that you still need the cable company to provide internet so you can stream your shows.

If the cable operators are not making money selling you cable tv subscriptions, they will make their money selling more expensive internet with data caps.

Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T will continue to buy up media companies such as Time Warner.

Right now streaming is the thing.

People might be saving money today, but the market will correct its self and what you save buying Sling Tv for example your going to pay more for internet.

It will get to the point where your getting your streaming from the internet providers.
 
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The problem is that you still need the cable company to provide internet so you can stream your shows.

If the cable operators are not making money selling you cable tv subscriptions, they will make their money selling more expensive internet with data caps.

Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T will continue to buy up media companies such as Time Warner.

Right now streaming is the thing.

People might be saving money today, but the market will correct its self and what you save buying Sling Tv for example your going to pay more for internet.

It will get to the point where your getting your streaming from the internet providers.

Charter Spectrum has 5 more years left on their no caps promise to the F.C.C. .
The original promise was no caps for 7 years if they let them merge.
 
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The problem is that you still need the cable company to provide internet so you can stream your shows.

If the cable operators are not making money selling you cable tv subscriptions, they will make their money selling more expensive internet with data caps.

Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T will continue to buy up media companies such as Time Warner.

Right now streaming is the thing.

People might be saving money today, but the market will correct its self and what you save buying Sling Tv for example your going to pay more for internet.

It will get to the point where your getting your streaming from the internet providers.

This is the exact reason I very much hate company mergers. The more competition, the better. Free market.


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The problem is that you still need the cable company to provide internet so you can stream your shows.

If the cable operators are not making money selling you cable tv subscriptions, they will make their money selling more expensive internet with data caps.

Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T will continue to buy up media companies such as Time Warner.

Right now streaming is the thing.

People might be saving money today, but the market will correct its self and what you save buying Sling Tv for example your going to pay more for internet.

It will get to the point where your getting your streaming from the internet providers.

The problem is with the cable nets, ESPN, USA, NICK, CNN etc, you need a cable or satellite sub to get those channels on the Roku or Fire Box. Some people have cut the cord completely, but for their programming they need to sub to a Dish or Direct type package of streaming channels. Otherwise, people can get a lot of free channels on the Roku, but few of the cable ones. Even CNN requires a sub. It is nice to have CNN streaming as they offer CNNI which Dish doesn't carry. It is free with that cable or Dish sub. One good thing about streaming, there are many more choices. You Tube has a cable type package, Direct Now, and others. More choices out there.
 
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The problem is with the cable nets, ESPN, USA, NICK, CNN etc, you need a cable or satellite sub to get those channels on the Roku or Fire Box. Some people have cut the cord completely, but for their programming they need to sub to a Dish or Direct type package of streaming channels. Otherwise, people can get a lot of free channels on the Roku, but few of the cable ones. Even CNN requires a sub. It is nice to have CNN streaming as they offer CNNI which Dish doesn't carry. It is free with that cable or Dish sub. One good thing about streaming, there are many more choices. You Tube has a cable type package, Direct Now, and others. More choices out there.
You contradicted yourself. You say you need cable or satellite for ESPN, USA, NICK, and CNN, but at the end, you rightfully point out you can get those just from streaming (YouTubeTV, DirecTV Now, etc).
 
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This is the exact reason I very much hate company mergers. The more competition, the better. Free market.


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That's what happens in a totally "free market", one entity always rises to the top and owns it all through acquisitions and mergers. Buy a couple of books and read about John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie of the 19th century. That was a "free market" they thrived in.

I am a capitalist, believe in the free market....................tempered with an appropriate amount of oversight.
 
What is ironic to me is the telecoms always say they don't just want to be a dumb pipe to the Internet, but they are essentially giving away video services (or in some cases, losing money on it), just to be the preferred pipe to the Internet for as many as possible. In cities, there will be competition at least. In the rural areas, you get what you get unless LEO satellite internet services really start to take off.
 
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What is ironic to me is the telecoms always say they don't just want to be a dumb pipe to the Internet, but they are essentially giving away video services (or in some cases, losing money on it), just to be the preferred pipe to the Internet for as many as possible. In cities, there will be competition at least. In the rural areas, you get what you get unless LEO satellite internet services really start to take off.
Its the advertising where yhe money is
As per google....cheap so they can collect more data to sell to advertisers....back in the day..phonelines were priced to break even...money was made on calls and features

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You contradicted yourself. You say you need cable or satellite for ESPN, USA, NICK, and CNN, but at the end, you rightfully point out you can get those just from streaming (YouTubeTV, DirecTV Now, etc).

What I meant was those cable services are only available if you have cable, satellite or pay to sub to a streaming service like Sling or Direct Now. Their online on demand service is not available unless you pay for the channel in some package. They are not available otherwise ale carte or for free online. Some people cut the cord to watch free TV. There is pretty of that with a Roku, but little access to the main cable channels.
 
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You contradicted yourself. You say you need cable or satellite for ESPN, USA, NICK, and CNN, but at the end, you rightfully point out you can get those just from streaming (YouTubeTV, DirecTV Now, etc).
He stated you need a cable/satellite sub to get those INDIVIDUAL channels through your Roku then went on to add those cable type streaming services with multiple channeles are available if you want to go that route.
 
That's what happens in a totally "free market", one entity always rises to the top and owns it all through acquisitions and mergers. Buy a couple of books and read about John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie of the 19th century. That was a "free market" they thrived in.

I am a capitalist, believe in the free market....................tempered with an appropriate amount of oversight.

The problem with that figuring out what "appropriate" is, eh? ;)
 
What I meant was those cable services are only available if you have cable, satellite or pay to sub to a streaming service like Sling or Direct Now. Their online on demand service is not available unless you pay for the channel in some package. They are not available otherwise ale carte or for free online. Some people cut the cord to watch free TV. There is pretty of that with a Roku, but little access to the main cable channels.

The majority of those who are cutting the cord do not care about the main cable channels, especially the under 30 crowd who are perfectly happy with Netflix, Hulu, You Tube, Amazon and the like.

My kids are the same way, when they went to college all they and the majority of their friends had broadband, no cable TV., some of my son's friends had a cable box in their rooms and never unwrapped them.
 
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That's what happens in a totally "free market", one entity always rises to the top and owns it all through acquisitions and mergers. Buy a couple of books and read about John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie of the 19th century. That was a "free market" they thrived in.

I am a capitalist, believe in the free market....................tempered with an appropriate amount of oversight.

I consider a free market having a good amount of competition in the marketplace. Besides “free market” means LOW REGULATION, not “no regulation”. “No regulation” would be anarchy.


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The problem with that figuring out what "appropriate" is, eh? ;)

Truth is, no one has ever really known how much regulation is "appropriate." Capitalism is still largely an experiment, after all. And our nation is still relatively young compared to the rest of the world.

Just look at the reactions we've had to the two stock market crashes in our history. After the first crash, many people considered FDR a socialist, but he may have been the savior of capitalism. After the second crash, many people were upset about the bank and auto bailouts, but it did save GM.

Anyway, I agree with all of you.... capitalism is good with the appropriate amount of regulation. What that amount is, I do not know! :)
 
Truth is, no one has ever really known how much regulation is "appropriate." Capitalism is still largely an experiment, after all. And our nation is still relatively young compared to the rest of the world.

Just look at the reactions we've had to the two stock market crashes in our history. After the first crash, many people considered FDR a socialist, but he may have been the savior of capitalism. After the second crash, many people were upset about the bank and auto bailouts, but it did save GM.

Anyway, I agree with all of you.... capitalism is good with the appropriate amount of regulation. What that amount is, I do not know! :)

A lot of people say that FDR prolonged the Depression and that WWII got us out of the Depression, but that’s a whole other discussion.


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