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Advent of tech. (sling and others) and the educating of people via the net will eventually crush the DMA's just as we are beginning to see the implosion of the giant bundle tv model. Dish has introduced millions to the abilities of sling.

The magic is being discovered!
In the largely French-speaking province of Quebec, for example, industry sources estimate that 70 percent of viewers buy a very basic TV offering of mostly broadcast fare and then pay for small groups of cable channels from a long list ranging from Discovery Channel to BBC Canada.
 
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the issue is it doesnt work that way. They have more than one bundle per item. Look at the Shaw Direct site

Example. Lets say ESPN & ESPN2 are in 1 bundle. Want ESPNU? thats another bundle

here are real examples of Shaw Direct
-CNBC, CNN, History & HLN is in one bundle but MSNBC, Fox News and Bloomberg are in another
-History is in one bundle, A&E is in another
-Sports has 2 bundles (sports and more sports) yet Fight Network and NBA TV aren't in either (they are in a different bundle)
-you've got 2 stations (Spike and Much) in TWO different bundles

and considering their BASIC package (to add ANYTHING) is $56 and bundles are $5 each
They have a package called Digital Favourites which has most of the "cable type" channels and its 72.99. So for $16 you get like 100 extra channels
It amuses me when folks talk about content provider "mini bundles" too. Something like TBS would break it into multiple bundles to maximize profit, nonsensical groupings like TBS, HLN, Boomerang and TruTV in Bundle A and TNT, CNN, Cartoon, and TCM in Bundle B at $8 each or both for a "discount" at $15.
 
Embrace the change, NuTV and others are the future.
Is a la carte cable really a “farce” as 21st Century Fox CEO Chase Carey claims? Well we’re about to find out because our neighbors to the north are doing us the favor of giving it a try. Per The Hollywood Reporter, TV subscribers in Ontario this week will be able to buy channels a la carte from IPTV startup VMedia, whose UChoose Store will charge subscribers around $2.12 per month for each channel they subscribe to. Subscribers will also have the option of buying small bundles of 6 channels that will cost $1.65 each per month or 12 channels that will cost $1.41 each per month.

Canadian cable companies are predictably pitching a fit about VMedia’s business model and are claiming that such a la carte services will result in “less investment in homegrown programming and more American shows filling primetime schedules,”The Hollywood Reporter says. But if VMedia is successful, it will severely underminethe cable industry’s usual scare story that claims a la carte services would be just as or more expensive than traditional bundles because they’d have to charge a lot more per channel to make up for all the subsidies they get from home shopping channels.

Needless to say, anyone interested in seeing whether the economics can work for a la carte will be watching VMedia’s progress very carefully


http://bgr.com/2013/12/12/vmedia-a-la-carte-cable/

Currently, providers pay $28.32 for about a dozen channels, but that cost is expected to increase 36% by 2018 according to estimates by media research firm SNL Kagan.

Which network charges cable providers the most each month per customer? ESPN with an estimated cost of $6.04. That figure doesn’t include ESPN 2, which is also among the 10 most expensive channels at $.74 per customer. By 2018, SNL Kagan estimates providers will pay $8.38 per month to air the sports network.

The cost for ESPN is nearly 43-times the median average price of 14 cents paid for each channel a subscriber receives. The next most expensive network is TNT, which charges $1.48 per month per customer. Among the least expensive networks are Nick 2, Hallmark Movie Channel, MTV Hits and CNBC World.

It’s worth noting that Comcast-owned NBCUniversal is responsible for three of the 10 most costly cable channels. USA clocks in at $0.83, SyFy costs $0.27 and Bravo costs $0.25.

http://consumerist.com/2014/08/05/espn-accounts-for-more-than-6-of-your-cable-bill-could-soon-top-8/
 
OK, Lue, things are going to change. You've convinced me. Actually, I've never doubted it. I don't think anyone is doubting things will change. What you don't seem to be grasping is CHANGE TAKES TIME. Just because someone says "this is possible" or "we're planning on doing this" or "this is happening over here" doesn't mean that change will be seen across the board soon (not even Dish "soon").

Can you please give it a rest already? Unless you can show me WHEN I'm going to see 1 Gigabit internet to my home.
 
OK, Lue, things are going to change. You've convinced me. Actually, I've never doubted it. I don't think anyone is doubting things will change. What you don't seem to be grasping is CHANGE TAKES TIME. Just because someone says "this is possible" or "we're planning on doing this" or "this is happening over here" doesn't mean that change will be seen across the board soon (not even Dish "soon").

Can you please give it a rest already? Unless you can show me WHEN I'm going to see 1 Gigabit internet to my home.
What current internet speeds are you able to purchase now, cost?, provider choices?population?
The digital divide is very real. Change does take time and regrettably the people of none progressive area's will be left behind for a few years.
Do your part, I certainly support the efforts of the ones trying to make a difference in rural areas,I would also ask that you support the more connected areas in pushing their cutting edge tech/services, because it will trickle down., however slowly, but, it has to start somewhere.
I also support your right to put me on ignore or not click on this thread.
Last year it was Nu, Now its not Nu anymore. The cats at least getting his paw out of the bag in rural areas..
If you build it, they will come. Gaining strength across the board.

I think we enter this session with the benefit of having had last year's debate. Now it is not new subject matter to everybody. Hopefully we can harness some energy and get it through," Stineman said.
Wondering what the minimal recommended speed for NuTV will be?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...roadband-expansion-iowa-legislature/21079385/
 
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Like I said before, Comcast and most of the other broadband providers that also provide Cable TV will then enforce harsh data caps to kill any type of IPTV service, any money they think they are saving will be eaten up by that $10 per 50 GB extra over their cap.

Every month we are always over 300GBs a month, our cap with Extreme105 is supposed to be 500gBs a month but is waived since we have the Triple Pay package.

If we watch everything over the net, I would guess we would use 700-800GBs a month.

So we pay $115 a month right now with Comcast for Starter, Extreme and Phone, 2 boxes and modem.

If we go to Extreme only, $109 a month, plus maybe $30 a month for IPTV service, plus the extra data, we will say $60 a month, that comes up to roughly $80 more a month then I am paying now...no thanks.
 
Embrace the change, NuTV and others are the future.
Yeah, right. When I see data caps in the range of 400 Gb/mo for those in rural areas, or maybe when the proverbial cow jumps over the moon, AND lower bandwidth costs will I think we are ready for an all IPTV.
Change. It will happen. For better and/ or worse it will happen.
 
For folks that live the Country.
It's not what your Country can do for You. It's what YOU can do for your Country.
Fact is there is more than enough subscribers to usher in the NuTV type IPTV services, maybe not your particular area, but, more than enough to grow,grow,grow.
Data Caps, for the most part are for gullible areas, sad, but true
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...caps-have-nothing-to-do-with-congestion.shtml
I know, I know the below link is for a google fiber city, but the fact is when competition comes to town, prices fall and data caps are mysteriously lifted, take the time look at the prices and absence of data caps, be sure to enter your zip and see whats out there.
http://broadbandnow.com/Missouri/Kansas-City
Just one service that is bringing No Data Caps to the Country.
http://kaysebroadband.com/
Read the New York story, as well as the others
http://stopthecap.com/2014/12/04/cuomo-100-new-york-state-access-100mbps-broadband-2018/
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/Angelo-Santabarbara/story/60427/
 
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LOL, you got it right. the SATELLITE delivered shaw service is higher. hmmmm, sounds familiar. take a look at the new internet TV small bundles below. See whats happening yet?
http://www.vmedia.ca/tv/

NO, not pulling nothing out of my ***, sorry to have listed the high cost satellite tv pricing. my bad.lol
Again you are looking at a SMALL piece of the pie and thinking its great. Again read what you linked to. $40 a month for the locals, the US Nets and a few extra channels. Again the SAME THING I posted earlier when sam_gordon asked about pricing for cable in Canada. But this isnt Canada last I checked (although I am 120 miles from there)
$6 for a theme minimum. I'm a sports fan so it looks like I would pay $20 to get the stations in HD. Pretty lame if you ask me

Remember, the nets in Canada (CBC, CTV, Global, City, SRC now ICI) are basically the exact same feed (sans commercials in some cases)...just different time zones.
 
It amuses me when folks talk about content provider "mini bundles" too. Something like TBS would break it into multiple bundles to maximize profit, nonsensical groupings like TBS, HLN, Boomerang and TruTV in Bundle A and TNT, CNN, Cartoon, and TCM in Bundle B at $8 each or both for a "discount" at $15.
Actually Bundle B would work well for me... but I'm not the typical viewer. Also, are these that nonsensical. The bundles represent a spectrum of viewing options, general/sports, "news", cartoon, and entertainment.
Remember, the nets in Canada (CBC, CTV, Global, City, SRC now ICI) are basically the exact same feed (sans commercials in some cases)...just different time zones.
CBC has the same feed as CTV?
 
For folks that live the Country.
It's not what your Country can do for You. It's what YOU can do for your Country.
Fact is there is more than enough subscribers to usher in the NuTV type IPTV services, maybe not your particular area, but, more than enough to grow,grow,grow.
Data Caps, for the most part are for gullible areas, sad, but true
Caps are for gullible areas? Not sure what that is. But a large area of the country has nothing but low capped service and no other alternative available.
So, lacking the proper noncapped, fast enough ISP those people are to do for their country by sucking it up and foregoing TV? Because by you scenario the traditional providers will go away or raise prices way high, leaving people without access. To bad for THEM?
I do recognize the fact that technology may change and allow 1 gig service to all for $40/mo, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Us sports fans are going to have to start paying up, no way around it until the bubble pops.
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2014/12/17/future-cable-sports-tv
http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/...-will-determine-the-future-of-college-sports/

More choice, more competition, just getting started, prices will be getting lower as many many more NuTV's enter market
http://www.sasktel.com/wps/wcm/connect/content/home/maxtv/theme-packs-overview/theme-packs-overview

We can sit back and take what is offered or we can get up and begin to do something about, our own individual choice.

61 bucks internet & TV combined
http://www.sasktel.com/wps/wcm/connect/content/home/maxtv/packages/packages

What’s more, Ergen will certainly force Comcast to address whether a Dish-owned IPTV service can be used on Comcast’s Internet service. Comcast is notorious for using data caps on its Internet service, which limits the amount of streaming video its users can watch. A Dish IPTV service allows Ergen to argue that those data caps are anti-competitive, which could also block Comcast’s acquisition of TWC. Comcast might have to address whether IPTV services will be limited by the data caps on its network.
http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/...-the-game-but-it-wont-break-the-cable-bundle/
 
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Actually Bundle B would work well for me... but I'm not the typical viewer. Also, are these that nonsensical. The bundles represent a spectrum of viewing options, general/sports, "news", cartoon, and entertainment.
CBC has the same feed as CTV?

no
What I am saying is CBC unless its a affiliate (and there are only a handful of them) is the same feed if its Halifax, Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg, Vancouver etc.
CTV only has 2 affiliates outside of their 22 owned stations. So again its the same programming on the owned stations (outside of maybe local news) just different timezones

So when a cable/satco in Canada touts "125 channels" you have ot take into consideration the multitude of same networks (just different time zones)
 
Again you fail to see the basic packages in Canada are basically the LOCALS.No different than Lifeline here in the US. Sure with Comcast I can get lifeline & 50GB download internet for 44.99 right now. Yay Whee!
People would kill to get unlimited download internet and basic tv with the choice to add mini bundles/channels for 61 bucks choice to download all you want from roku, ability to get NuTV, internet video, etc.. etc.. out in the underserved rural areas of the US... What's the cost for unlimited download satellite service in the US??? What is the cost for a Basic TV Package via satellite in the US??? Maybe some of the rural folks will chime in and help you to understand.
61 bucks would be so sweeeet to rural customers!
http://www.sasktel.com/wps/wcm/connect/55ca47c9-a013-4fda-a69b-cab611af706a/4561-6 (2014 08) Channel Lineup Aug 2014.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
83 buck package with unlimited download would be kiiler also in rural US.
http://www.sasktel.com/wps/wcm/connect/content/home/maxtv/packages/more-maxtv/more-maxtv
 
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OK shows how much you know. Sasktel is the TELEPHONE PROVIDER for the Province of Saskatchewan. Its not satellite

What's the cost for unlimited download satellite service in the US???
you're comparing 2 different things. again your head is so far up your ass you can see what you ate for lunch

What is the cost for a Basic TV Package via satellite in the US???
19.99 with Dish. Welcome pack :)

Maybe some of the rural folks will chime in and help you to understand.
I understand FULLY since I have a rural place (7 miles from a gas station, 12 miles from a town with ANYTHING, 20 miles to a "big" town (a whole 2000 people) so try again. Until recently we couldnt get anything internet based except for satellite. Now Cewnturylink does offer us 1.5MB downloads. Sure it isnt blazing fast but for most folks who live in the MIDDLE OF NOWHERE it works for what they want which is getting on the internet
 
Yeah, I think you're right. One more thing before I stop . Obviously Lue has no real experience with satellite internet. It is better than dialup. I have dealt with it for 12 years.
agreed. My neighbor at the lakehouse has satellite internet and it works for him.
 
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