We need DISTANT NETWORKS LLC

[Tampa8]

You can't be grandfathered (It's not grandfather btw) for Distants as you refer to in the petition, because you are changing providers. When DISH stopped giving Distants any grandfathering went away.
Even if you have a waiver, you will need to get that again going through DISH as is clearly noted in the law. And good luck with that. Keep in mind if DISH has your locals even if you do not subscribe to them they can not give Distants unless you have a waiver which again, is not going to be easy for 99.9 percent of it's subscribers.

As for the very few areas that do not have all the locals it's entirely possible DISH will expand the use of a neighboring affiliate or a significantly viewed channel thereby providing networks to what few are in that category.
Also RV's and OTR truckers are easy to verify, home use is not.

If literally getting Distant networks from somewhere other than your own DMA at your home is what you are trying to do, find out if Direct TV takes applications for waivers and will honor them. (They are not obligated to) If they do, go with them and submit waivers and see what happens. I just don't envision DISH going back to them for home use.
If it is for RV use, you are not giving enough time for something to happen. You have three weeks to find out, and if no RV Distants and you must have them, go with Direct TV, those you can get.

 

[wkomorow]

I thought Dish offered Honolulu locals. Certainly, Dish has no obligation to provide Distant Locals to Mexico. I really do not see where there is anything in it for Dish to offer Distant Networks, period. For RVers, as Tampa suggests, if Dish can figure a way yo give them the locals for where they are currently parked, that should suffice.

 

[rusty813]

I called dish network and they verified my receiver is grandfather, if you are receiving pbs national on 915. Then your receiver is grandfather still, call up dish and ask for yourself. If you don't have pbs national then you are not grandfather. I do have waivers to receive them both with dish and all american direct, that is how I qualify. We are here to resolve one issue is for dish to provide distant networks to our homes or rvs. So its up to you if want to get this issue settle, if not we can just complain on here. Instead of complaining lets do something, and sign the petition.

 

[Tampa8]

We are here to resolve one issue is for dish to provide distant networks to our homes or rvs. So its up to you if want to get this issue settle, if not we can just complain on here. Instead of complaining lets do something, and sign the petition.

I do agree with that, if you are trying to get something done I have to give credit for not just complaining. I hope in the end you get what you are looking for and glad you are taking action if it is important to you.

Were you a subscriber the last time DISH offered Distants to homes, about 8 years ago?

There is no Distant waiver that is grandfathered with DISH no matter what a CSR tells you and I'm sorry they are getting your hopes up. Ask anyone who got the RV Distants from DISH when they reinstated them for awhile. Everyone had re-qualify again, and had to send in the documentation even if they had Distants with another service or previously used DISH. In addition, the receiver being qualified does not mean someone is living in the same place if they had a waiver years ago from DISH.
I do have the national PBS grandfathered, it has nothing whatsover to do with Distant channels. Having or not having it is no indication whatsoever of you being able to get Distants. PBS is not a Distant channels, never required a waiver or anything else for that matter to get it. It could be ordered by anyone. At some point DISH stopped selling it just as they have stopped selling Superstations. I'm grandfathered them too, but those are not Distants either and never required a waiver and are no indication of ability to get Distants.

 

[Brussam]

Not only is there no grandfathering in DNS qualification, you have to re-certify every year when you vehicle registration expires.

 

[rusty813]

There is no Distant waiver that is grandfathered with DISH no matter what a CSR tells you and I'm sorry they are getting your hopes up. Ask anyone who got the RV Distants from DISH when they reinstated them for awhile.

I think the reason they had to re-qualify because they are opening up a brand new account. Its like having a receiver at vacation home and receiver at regular home, its 2 different accounts. Your receiver at your regular home is grandfather, but you want distant networks on your vacation home. You have to submit waivers for vacation home. Same thing truck and home 2 different accounts. My waivers were that I have is meant for home, not RVs.

PBS is not a Distant channels, never required a waiver or anything else for that matter to get it. It could be ordered by anyone.

When we first had dish in 1998, I believe once you got waivers approved for the Big 4 network, you will receive PBS National. It never appeared on my account until I got the distant networks.

 

[mrschwarz]

Does this rise to the level of enough of a change to get me out of my Dish contract? My In-motion dome can pick up Direct SD and my outside tripod will hold a Direct dish as easily as a Dish one.

 

[boba]

Does this rise to the level of enough of a change to get me out of my Dish contract? My In-motion dome can pick up Direct SD and my outside tripod will hold a Direct dish as easily as a Dish one.

Dream on you signed a 2 year contract and if you read the contract DISH has the right to change programming. BESIDES AAD ISN'T PART OF DISH.

 

[mrschwarz]

Dish offered DNS directly for a couple of years. I think I may have signed the contract during that time. I shall continue to dream. Any ideas what it costs to get out of a Dish contract?

 

[Tampa8]

They offered DNS for several years. It does not matter when you signed any contract, does not matter if you had Distants with or without a Waiver.
By Law no Grandfathering exists if you are a DISH customer. People posting that they are Grandfathered are 100% wrong, a CSR saying that they are would be 100% wrong. There is no such thing as Grandfathering when you no longer have Distants.
Grandfathering was in place when you actually had Distants on your account and the law changed. You could keep them as long as you didn't drop them. Once dropped you couldn't get them back again. Sorry but that is the fact, Dish dropped Distants, which means you dropped Distants, which means no one is Grandfathered for anything as a DISH customer. Direct TV would be different in that they never dropped Distants, and they may have Grandfathered accounts.

And on top of all that, the qualifying process has changed since DISH offered Distants. The new digital qualifying is in place, different than the analog way to qualify.

 

[ggw2000]

And on top of all that, the qualifying process has changed since DISH offered Distants. The new digital qualifying is in place, different than the analog way to qualify.


Could you expand on this as compared to the old Analog way?

 

[rusty813]

Not according to FCC, even if the company stops providing distant and later decides they want to provide distant you are still qualified to receive them. If you got pbs national then you are qualifed. Maybe RVs waivers differ from home waivers which I have.

Actually pbs national might be on your receiver, but must be able to access the channel. If you get the message please call dish to sub

 

[Tampa8]

And on top of all that, the qualifying process has changed since DISH offered Distants. The new digital qualifying is in place, different than the analog way to qualify.


Could you expand on this as compared to the old Analog way?

The FCC had to change who is in a White Zone - unable to receive an OTA network - because the change to digital changed for some what you now can or can not receive. As an example, I was not in a White Zone for CBS, when the digital measuring went into effect, as I observed on my own, CBS is now not available OTA at my home and so I am now in a White Zone for it. It other cases people may now receive a channel OTA they could not when it was analog.

 

[Tampa8]

Not according to FCC, even if the company stops providing distant and later decides they want to provide distant you are still qualified to receive them. If you got pbs national then you are qualifed. Maybe RVs waivers differ from home waivers which I have.

Actually pbs national might be on your receiver, but must be able to access the channel. If you get the message please call dish to sub

Please provide a link to the FCC rules that state that.

I'm not going to go on and on so will end it with this.
1. Any link you are trying to make to subscribers getting the National PBS and therefore being qualified to get Distants is silly.

2. There is no such thing as a Grandfathered DISH customer for Distants.

• EchoStar may not claim that any Grade B subscriber is "grandfathered" under SHVIA because it could not produce a list of such subscribers. (SHVIA did not provide any grandfathering for Grade A subscribers.)

"If you are an EchoStar (DISH Network) customer and your network reception has been terminated, you must contact your provider and request consideration for a waiver."

http://www.kalb.com/story/12489711/satellite-waiver

The silly PBS assertion;
"This ruling has no effect on PBS, CW Network or Super Stations, Univision, Azteca, Telefutura, Pax/"i", Telemundo, TBN or any other broadcast network's agreements with Dish Network. It only affects ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox."

http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/281292.html
And from that same link;
"Specifically, the court found that when qualifying distant network subscribers, EchoStar may only use one data base and that interference from other broadcast stations cannot be considered. As a result, EchoStar must re-qualify its distant network channel customers."

 

[rusty813]

Please provide a link to the FCC rules that state that.

I'm not going to go on and on so will end it with this.
1. Any link you are trying to make to subscribers getting the National PBS and therefore being qualified to get Distants is silly.

2. There is no such thing as a Grandfathered DISH customer for Distants.

• EchoStar may not claim that any Grade B subscriber is "grandfathered" under SHVIA because it could not produce a list of such subscribers. (SHVIA did not provide any grandfathering for Grade A subscribers.)

"If you are an EchoStar (DISH Network) customer and your network reception has been terminated, you must contact your provider and request consideration for a waiver."

http://www.kalb.com/story/12489711/satellite-waiver

The silly PBS assertion;
"This ruling has no effect on PBS, CW Network or Super Stations, Univision, Azteca, Telefutura, Pax/"i", Telemundo, TBN or any other broadcast network's agreements with Dish Network. It only affects ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox."

http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/281292.html
And from that same link;
"Specifically, the court found that when qualifying distant network subscribers, EchoStar may only use one data base and that interference from other broadcast stations cannot be considered. As a result, EchoStar must re-qualify its distant network channel customers."

Here is the information, and this is how I qualified.

"Using a computer model, your satellite TV company can tell you if you are predicted to be “unserved.” If you are not predicted to be unserved, you will need waivers from local TV stations to receive distant signals. (The request for the waiver must come from the satellite TV company.)"

"You may be receiving distant signals because you received a waiver from one or more television stations that are predicted to serve your household. If you have such a waiver, you may continue to receive distant signals, and you also may subscribe to local-into-local service."

Here is the website http://www.fcc.gov/guides/service-options-satellite-subscribers

 

[rusty813]

Glad to see this petition working out so far, 5 supporters signed it so far. Instead of arguing lets support one another and get this issue resolved https://www.change.org/petitions/dish-network-bring-back-distant-networks

 

[Cal-Toy]

I just spoke to Dish about the networks, THEY SAID, that the distant networks have or will be bought by Satellite Guys (I am not kidding) sounds like bull sxxx to me. He had to put me on hold three times to find this out.

 

[TheKrell]

Ha! Will the Satelliteguys members with 8 figure incomes please step forward?

 

[rusty813]

Distant network is being bought by satellite guys, if this is true what is the website to renew our bill?

 

[btyko]

Pub members coming through!